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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Are you quite sure you understand the difference between Muslims and Muslims extremists? Here's a guy who obviously knows something on the subject.

    YouTube - Allan West: Islam will destory Western civilisation
    Oh, now there's a nice balanced opinion. If Islam were going to destroy western civilization, it seems that they would have done it by now.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Then why did they say anything? Wasn't it, at the very least, indiscreet of them to be broadcasting this pastor's act to the Muslim world and predicting violence? Wouldn't it have been smarter of them to just shut up?? If speaking out is the issue here, as seems to be the case. why not mention those two, as well as all the US media??
    You make it sound as if it was the voices of reason were the ones broadcasting this publicity stunt, instead of telling the religious nutter that his actions were likely to have some negative consequences.

    Sorry, but that's not how it was.


    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Well, he certainly made his case, didn't he?
    So, he proved that Christianity was the correct religion, and that the Muslims were evil, by having set off the extremists? Sure, that's what the Bible says.... somewhere... just can't find it right now.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Again, you appear to know little about Muslims and Muslim extremists. Have you ever actually looked at the Koran? Visited Islamic websites? Heard their preachers? Listened to their leaders?
    Do you seriously mean to say that the billion and a half or so Muslims in the world are all violent people out to destroy civilization? Is that the point you're making? It seems to be.
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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

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    Oh, now there's a nice balanced opinion. If Islam were going to destroy western civilization, it seems that they would have done it by now.
    In order to have a "balanced" opinion, why not contradict what the man is saying? Where do you feel he is wrong and why?

    And how, if they could, would they have destroyed western civilization by now? Perhaps they are in the process, as he says and Muslims themselves say. Do you think they would lie about something like that? Do you think them incapable?

    You make it sound as if it was the voices of reason were the ones broadcasting this publicity stunt, instead of telling the religious nutter that his actions were likely to have some negative consequences.
    I make it sound like they were broadcasting the publicity stunt? They WERE broadcasting the publicity stunt. Don't you think it would have been wiser had they not publicized it? But that's just what they did. You think that when the president of the United States speaks out to an international audience about Islamic issues, nobody listens?

    So, he proved that Christianity was the correct religion, and that the Muslims were evil, by having set off the extremists? Sure, that's what the Bible says.... somewhere...just can't find it right now.
    No, and you won't. My point was that the Pastor made his case and we all know it.
    Do you seriously mean to say that the billion and a half or so Muslims in the world are all violent people out to destroy civilization? Is that the point you're making? It seems to be
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    No, I don't think so. I think that most of them want to live in peace, but they are also Muslims and, as was explained, they will follow the teachings of the Koran. Otherwise they would not be Muslims. It certainly seems that that many of their leaders have large ambitions and most Muslims are more likely to follow their leaders, as we have seen, than protest against them.

    The few who do speak out, such as the very brave Hirsi Ali or Wata Sultan, require 24 hour guards and are often vilified by the political Left. Ordinary Muslims would be taking a big chance in speaking out and few take the risk.. In fact non Muslims are also often reluctant to speak out for fear of reprisal. This is especially true in Europe, as well as in Florida.

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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    These Muslims are insane! They act like drunk children that are hate-filled. People that worship Satan are better people than these Islamic animals!! They are barbarians! They killed 12 people because someone burned their book! 12 people DEAD... horribly murdered.... brutally murdered. Because of a book that was burned. Im all for nuking that whole area and wiping out these crazy people!
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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post

    Do you seriously mean to say that the billion and a half or so Muslims in the world are all violent people out to destroy civilization? Is that the point you're making? It seems to be.
    Perhaps the pivotal question is this: will the majority of Muslims - those that don't want to return to the stone age, do enough to prevent the so called PCism "extremists" from going all the way?

    It may not be that the West has to do everything, or that Islam must reform itself internally without foreign interference, but if the average Joe Muslim does his part and the Western military and economic machines do their part

    But NO..The majority of Muslims have proven that.

    Now, we are rapidly approaching the point (i.e. the next successful attack stateside) where we will no longer have the luxury to distinguish between the good muslims and the bad muslims... the the "neutral" and "good" muslims are not making an effort to distinguish themselves for us..

    Ya see, the real numbers of islamic radicals will be a secondary problem in the long run. Whether they constitute 1,2,3,5 or 10% of the muslim population, they will come out on top (ALWAYS) as long as there are a number of countries where they can always regroup to, regenerate, gain new recruits etc. Until we change that there is no way we can really defeat them.

    In the number of counties, I'll include the USA (passively)

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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Perhaps the pivotal question is this: will the majority of Muslims - those that don't want to return to the stone age, do enough to prevent the so called PCism "extremists" from going all the way?

    It may not be that the West has to do everything, or that Islam must reform itself internally without foreign interference, but if the average Joe Muslim does his part and the Western military and economic machines do their part

    But NO..The majority of Muslims have proven that.

    Now, we are rapidly approaching the point (i.e. the next successful attack stateside) where we will no longer have the luxury to distinguish between the good muslims and the bad muslims... the the "neutral" and "good" muslims are not making an effort to distinguish themselves for us..

    Ya see, the real numbers of islamic radicals will be a secondary problem in the long run. Whether they constitute 1,2,3,5 or 10% of the muslim population, they will come out on top (ALWAYS) as long as there are a number of countries where they can always regroup to, regenerate, gain new recruits etc. Until we change that there is no way we can really defeat them.

    In the number of counties, I'll include the USA (passively)
    So, how do we go about changing that?
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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    Why? He didnt do ANYTHING wrong. So what if he burned the book? Big deal!
    Hitler burned books. He didn't do anything wrong. No big deal? You don't seem to grasp the damage and destruction that ceremonial book burnings incur.

    There are unintended consequences to almost everything we do and decide. This rather large piece of **** decided to burn a Qu'ran with absolutely no care for any troop or effort abroad. I warned people right here on this site last year about this fool's behaviors. The fact that those religious freaks targetted weak UN personnel and not US military personnel shows their depravity. But let's not pretend that there's much of a difference between these Christian zealots and those Islamic zealots. Take away the pampered Disney Land that is America and these book burners would murder you for their twisted sense of God work.
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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    12 people died that means nuclear genocide is necessary. Also it's god's book, AND theirs.
    So....it would be understandable if 12 people in New York died because Muslims abroad burned Bibles? After all...it's God's book AND it is theirs? C'mon. Get over your sense of twisted zealot defense. Or fear of insulting the wrong kind of zealot. Whichever is your hang up.

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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    So, how do we go about changing that?
    Excellent question....finding an acceptable solution, but first of all, we, the west, must accept that, we have a problem with Islam.

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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Excellent question....finding an acceptable solution, but first of all, we, the west, must accept that, we have a problem with Islam.
    And perhaps not invade another secular nation in the Mid East in the name of fighting a war on Islamic terror.

    Perhaps a good start would be to achieve energy independence, so we will no longer have to depend on people who hate us for our economic lifeblood.
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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    And perhaps not invade another secular nation in the Mid East in the name of fighting a war on Islamic terror.

    Perhaps a good start would be to achieve energy independence, so we will no longer have to depend on people who hate us for our economic lifeblood.
    Yes, that certainly is valid, but unfortunately, we will live in perpetual warfare for the foreseeable future. Hundreds, if not thousands of years of intermittent warfare running the gamut of low end terrorism to outright conventional, high end warfare.

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