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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by bus View Post
    As I've only seem mentioned a few rare times in here have the majority of you forgotten about the Limitations of the 1st Amendment?
    What limitations would those be?

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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

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    Hrrm I wasnt expecting an 'islamic creep' argument. But somehow... I seriously doubt that any non-muslims would end up in Sharia courts in the west. The idea screams of pre-emptive victimization.
    I'm just giving a voice to the argument Reverend Jones used in staging his protest. I don't think it's racist, and I don't think its the voice of a "religious nutter." It's a legitimate point of contention.

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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What limitations would those be?
    First Amendment Law (U. S. Constitution: The First Amendment) is an easy read if you have maybe forgotten your highschool government classes.
    Freedom of speech has limitations and plenty of Supreme Court rulings to back it. I find it borderline loony that people support Pastor Jones who intentionally created violence.

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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by bus View Post
    First Amendment Law (U. S. Constitution: The First Amendment) is an easy read if you have maybe forgotten your highschool government classes.
    Freedom of speech has limitations and plenty of Supreme Court rulings to back it. I find it borderline loony that people support Pastor Jones who intentionally created violence.
    It's a very long read, Bus.

    As you seem quite familiar with it, could you please point out the section on Koran defacing?

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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

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    Do you feel Bill O'Reilley was also responsible for what the Muslims did?
    He predicted the violence, and condemned the publicity stunt of putting a Koran on trial. So did a lot of other people, including Obama. Now, when you get O'Reilly and Obama to agree on something, you have to wonder whether there is something worth agreeing on.
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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post

    He predicted the violence, and condemned the publicity stunt of putting a Koran on trial. So did a lot of other people, including Obama. Now, when you get O'Reilly and Obama to agree on something, you have to wonder whether there is something worth agreeing on.
    Then it was obviously Obama and O'Reilly who are responsible for what happened.

    Had the media not reported what this obscure pastor said, had the US President remained silent, then no one would have heard of this guy and these murders on the other side of the world might not have happened. They are obviously responsible for giving this incident some publicity it wouldn't have otherwise received.

    So instead of just shutting down freedom of speech we'll have to also censor the media and those media savvy politicians. Who else in the free world can we attack before we finally pin the responsibility where it belongs?

    No matter what atrocities Muslims commit - to their families, to each other. or anyone who doesn't believe as they do - it seems they can never get bad press. The Muslim world is silent on this latest mass slaughter (actually there has been at least one more since then) while others are willing to go to any illogical and extraordinary lengths to defend their craziness.

    Not since Communism had its day has any other international group been able to commit such violence and degradation against other human beings on such a mass scale and yet still, remarkably, find its many defenders. It is shameful.
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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by ManofthPeephole View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I understand the analogy. I don't think it's valid.

    No, not all Muslims are nutcases. Not all Christians are nutcases, either, but some are as this little incident illustrates.
    On what basis are you claiming it invalid?
    So you're basically going to continue to ignore those hard questions? Way to demonstrate some intellectual integrity, chief

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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The Muslim world is silent on this latest mass slaughter
    did you bother to check your facts before you made that comment?

    (Washington, DC - 4/1/11)—The Muslim Public Affairs Council today condemned the killing of at least 12 people, including seven United Nations workers, in Afghanistan by protesters as “barbaric, atrocious and senseless.” This afternoon, MPAC will hold press conferences in Washington, DC and Los Angeles to respond to today’s events.

    MPAC Condemns Senseless Killing of U.N. Workers In Afghanistan - Muslim Public Affairs Council

    Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf of Cordoba Initiative and Daisy Khan of American Society for Muslim Advancement Pronounce their unequivocal denunciation of the killings of United Nations workers in Afghanistan by those who were protesting the burning of the Qur’an by Terry Jones. Regardless of motive or rationalization or evidence or excuse, this action must be condemned. Violent Extremism which seeks to inflict harm on innocent people is an absolute corruption of Islamic Doctrine.

    CAIR Condemns Attack on U.N. Compound in Afghanistan. The Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) today condemned an attack on a U.N. compound in northern Afghanistan that killed at least 12 people Friday, most of them U.N. workers.
    In a statement, CAIR said: “We unequivocally condemn this act of senseless violence. Nothing can justify or excuse this attack.”


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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by bus View Post
    First Amendment Law (U. S. Constitution: The First Amendment) is an easy read if you have maybe forgotten your highschool government classes.
    Freedom of speech has limitations and plenty of Supreme Court rulings to back it. I find it borderline loony that people support Pastor Jones who intentionally created violence.
    Except, Jones didn't create any violence. The violence was created by the crazy bastards in Afghanistan.

    By that logic, it's Planned Parenthood's fault that abortion clinics are getting blown up. I mean, hey, if there were no abortion clinics, no one would get pissed off and bomb them. Right?

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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Except, Jones didn't create any violence. The violence was created by the crazy bastards in Afghanistan.
    I think some folks have been watching too many episodes of Law and Order. They've taken this idea of "incitement" to a whole new level. "Incitement" is a fundamentalist Islamic cleric standing before his faithful and telling them to kill foreigners because an American preacher burned a copy of the Koran. Using the liberal standard, there never would have been a Freedom Summer, because all of those Yankee college kids were warned by the Klan to stay in Yankeeland, else there'd be trouble. They didn't listen:

    Freedom Schools were often targets of white mobs. So also were the homes of local African Americans involved in the campaign. That summer 30 black homes and 37 black churches were firebombed. Over 80 volunteers were beaten by white mobs or racist police officers and three men, James Chaney, Andrew Goodman and Michael Schwerner, were murdered by the Ku Klux Klan on 21st June, 1964. This attempt to frighten others from joining the campaign failed and by late 1964 over 70,000 students had taken part in Freedom Summer.

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