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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by bus View Post
    I was probably gauging off the two years I spent in the Islamic world. I don’t condone or support the actions that occurred in response. I’m stating that harsh realities occurred because of a moron here in the United States endangering lives abroad.
    Muslims were responsible for murdering all those people, no one else.

    I don’t want tolerance. I want abstinence from the whole region.
    Great swaths of "The whole region" are moving into the democracies.Abstinence is no longer an option.

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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Wrong. You'd be better off to take it that I don't think the issue of deliberately setting off Muslim nutcases has anything to do with abortion.
    Gotcha...

    So you have an issue with deliberately doing actions that will set off nutcases if you like the nutcases. If you dislike the nutcases then its perfectly okay to do it in your mind?

    Makes sense

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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Why do you make that claim and on what grounds? Has anyone but yourself denied those religious fanatics doing all the murdering were Muslims? What's your definition of "Jihad", because there seems to be quite a difference of opinion on these boards as to just what it does mean.



    Did you have any idea where these riots and killings would take place? How many victims there would be? How long rioting would continue? Or was it just a feeling that Muslims would get a little crazy again?


    And yet you can safely predict that Muslims would become fanatical murderers if anyone was to burn a Koran and I can safely predict that Christians would not do the same thing if a Bible was burned.

    So who are the real nutcases?
    I think you do get it, surely undoubtedly.

    OK, just in case, here goes:

    Not all Muslims are terrorists/jihadis/nutters.

    Yes, really! The world's billion and a half or so Muslims are not all crazy. I know that's hard to accept, but it's true.

    Not all Christians are nutters, either, but a few are.

    Whether I, or Reverend Jones, or Obama, or O'Reilly, or anyone else could have predicted just how many people would be killed or where is irrelevant to the discussion. We all knew that the Jihadis would go on a violent spree as a result of burning the Koran. Such a spree was predicted. Those of us who said it would happen were right. We're also right that the absurd publicity stunt of putting the Koran "on trial" was the indirect cause of several deaths, and that having done so was irresponsible in the extreme.

    No amount of diversion is going to change any of the facts of the matter.
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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshabar View Post
    This is a rather amazing response from a very brave Ann Barnhardt to Wimpsey Grahams' statement and to Islam in general.

    The second half is jarring because she does actually burn a Koran and give her address and an invitation for Graham or anybody else to come get her.

    This is an extremely troubling situation. Seattle cartoonist, Mollie Norris, on the advice of the FBI, went into hiding last year after promoting an "Everybody Draw Mohammed Day." There was a fatwa issued against her and she has had to change her identity in order to stay alive.
    A bit more on this amazing woman.

    Lindsey Graham... meet Ann Barnhardt (Wizbang)

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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

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    I think you do get it, surely undoubtedly.

    OK, just in case, here goes:

    Not all Muslims are terrorists/jihadis/nutters.
    Yes, I've heard that not all Muslims are terrorists. How do you tell them apart though? Are the terrorists just Muslims who haven't killed anyone yet? What is the formula and how can you tell them apart?

    And it seems you still aren't clear on what "Jihad" means.
    Yes, really! The world's billion and a half or so Muslims are not all crazy. I know that's hard to accept, but it's true.
    Do you have any numbers? What about those people, Muslim and non Muslim, who want Sharia Law introdued into the democraies? Are they crazy or only slightly disturbed?
    Not all Christians are nutters, either, but a few are.
    I just haven't seen any Christians doing what Muslims are doing. That isn't just their murderous rampages of course. It's also honor killings, clitorectinies, the stoning of women, young girls and gays, disallowing an education, etc. etc. etc.
    Whether I, or Reverend Jones, or Obama, or O'Reilly, or anyone else could have predicted just how many people would be killed or where is irrelevant to the discussion. We all knew that the Jihadis would go on a violent spree as a result of burning the Koran. Such a spree was predicted. Those of us who said it would happen were right. We're also right that the absurd publicity stunt of putting the Koran "on trial" was the indirect cause of several deaths, and that having done so was irresponsible in the extreme.
    Do you feel Bill O'Reilley was also responsible for what the Muslims did?

    No amount of diversion is going to change any of the facts of the matter.
    I agree. Bu
    t then why try to divert the attention from the actual murderers to a Florida pastor?

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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    This act would be illegal in Australia, Western Europe or Canada so once again it is left to the Americans to step out in support of Free Speech, the linchpin which protects all other human rights and freedoms. Lose that and you can kiss the rest goodbye.

    Do we need fear for the life of this woman?

    If the answer is yes, then it would seem that despite all the platitudes we hear about the 'Religion of Peace', the truth lies elsewhere.
    I looked at Ann's website. She came fully prepared to do this thing and understands the danger very well. Don't show up unexpectedly at her house. I was remembering the cartoonist from Seattle who promoted an "everyone draw Mohammed day" last year. As far as I know she is still living under an assumed i.d. away from her family and friends. A fatwa was declared against her and the FBI advised her to disappear.

    Ann Barnhardt is hoping that many more Americans will follow her lead and burn Korans in defiance of Islamic radicalism and in support of free speech. I doubt many will have the sheer guts to do it.

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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshabar View Post
    I looked at Ann's website. She came fully prepared to do this thing and understands the danger very well. Don't show up unexpectedly at her house. I was remembering the cartoonist from Seattle who promoted an "everyone draw Mohammed day" last year. As far as I know she is still living under an assumed i.d. away from her family and friends. A fatwa was declared against her and the FBI advised her to disappear.

    Ann Barnhardt is hoping that many more Americans will follow her lead and burn Korans in defiance of Islamic radicalism and in support of free speech. I doubt many will have the sheer guts to do it.
    Maybe not, Marshabar, but I showed it to a couple of people and they were certainly inspired. Shared in her laughter also,

    If any Muslims show up around her area I expect there'll be a couple of good ol' boys asking them their business.

    She's not the only one speaking out on the Lindsay Graham backlash, by the way.

    Re: Lindsey Graham and the First Amendment - By Mark Steyn - The Corner - National Review Online

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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    As I've only seem mentioned a few rare times in here have the majority of you forgotten about the Limitations of the 1st Amendment?

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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    You are not really speaking from any position of authority to analyse what the pastor may or may not have incited. You assert your own opinion, nothing more.
    I speak with the authority of the United States Constitution, when I say that Jones was well within his rights to do what he did.

    Top that!

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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by bus View Post
    His actions caused harm to others. That’s fundamentally wrong in my book. He was asked by countless prominent world leaders, agencies, and figures to cease his actions. If his family, his church, and other things he cared about found themselves in a bad situation related to this I wouldn’t mind in the slightest.

    It seems that most of you that either oppose or support his decision are unwilling to consider both sides of the picture. There is not an easily painted picture to compare the situation to in the Western world vs. the Islamic world. It is a difference in culture that we cannot fathom. He committed one of the worst possible atrocities that the Islamic world could imagine. Wars have been waged for less offensive gestures.
    No, the actions of those clowns in Afghanistan caused harm to others.

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