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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    This is not a war between Christianity and Islam. It is not "all Islam" that is the problem. It is religious extremists that are the problem.

    Thank God, Allah, Jehovah, and Zeus, there is no war between two of the world's major religions. Such a war would end civilization as we know it.
    There is an Islamic war going on right now against Christians.

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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    There is an Islamic war going on right now against Christians.
    Balony. There is a war against western civilization being waged by a fringe group in the Mid East.

    If it's a war against Christians, why do they hate Israel?
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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Only if they want them. Of course finding out whether they do is more than fraught with a few difficulties.
    That question was often raised about whether Blacks actually wanted freedom and could they handle it if they were free. The answer, for many generations, was usually no. The same question has been raised about the Chinese, the Vietnamese, the Germans and the Japanese. Those from another school of thought says that all people should be free to determine their own personal destiny, and judging from the human migration routes it would seem that the latter philosophy is closer to the mark.

    I'd say the Left, in a very, very general sense, would suggest that everyone deserves democracy, liberty and human rights just not everybody knows that such things are desirable.
    I'd like to hear the argument as to why they aren't desirable.

    Most of it, yes. But he should certainly be condemned as the sh**-stirring, mindless bigot that he certainly seems to be.
    it seems to me he should not be the focus of so much attentional. It's clear who the real bigots are in this case, and they carried their bigotry to the extreme conclusion.

    I see you've adopted the crusader mentality. Most of us here in Europe don't consider ourselves to be involved in a war with Islam. If that's your crusade, you're welcome to it.
    Yes, I know Europeans don't consider themselves to be involved in a war with Islam, but they are certainly at war with you. And they say so. That is why they will win and traditional Europe that we have come to know will lose.

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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Balony. There is a war against western civilization being waged by a fringe group in the Mid East.
    No, it is in Africa as well.
    If it's a war against Christians, why do they hate Israel?
    They hate Jews.

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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    That question was often raised about whether Blacks actually wanted freedom and could they handle it if they were free. The answer, for many generations, was usually no.
    Whose answer was usually 'no'? Not the blacks, I'm guessing.

    Those from another school of thought says that all people should be free to determine their own personal destiny, and judging from the human migration routes it would seem that the latter philosophy is closer to the mark.
    Personal and collective, coomunal and national destinies.
    I'd like to hear the argument as to why they aren't desirable.
    That's not the argument, it's just that many, many people have never heard the debate, never mind been allowed to participate in it.

    it seems to me he should not be the focus of so much attentional. It's clear who the real bigots are in this case, and they carried their bigotry to the extreme conclusion.
    Well, here at DP he has certainly received a large degree of support and fairly mild criticism in comparison with the perpetrators of the murders. And that's how it should be.


    Yes, I know Europeans don't consider themselves to be involved in a war with Islam, but they are certainly at war with you. And they say so. That is why they will win and traditional Europe that we have come to know will lose.
    Well, why don't you leave us to worry about that?
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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    No, it is in Africa as well.


    They hate Jews.
    So, it's a radical fringe group in the ME and in Africa that hates Christians and Jews. It's still not a war between Islam and Christianity.
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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Whose answer was usually 'no'? Not the blacks, I'm guessing.
    Sure, people rationalized why Black people should not have their freedom. And of course many Blacks in the early years were absolutely dependent as well and didn't know what to do with their new found freedom either. But no person who has enjoyed freedom would ever want it taken away, and it has to be taken away by stealth.
    Personal and collective, coomunal and national destinies.
    You can probably scratch 'personal' from that list but it is not for others to decide that people do not want their freedoms. If people genuinely want to collective destinies they are free to do that in the democracies, but they should be allowed that option and not have it forced upon them
    That's not the argument, it's just that many, many people have never heard the debate, never mind been allowed to participate in it.
    Many of those who have been ruled by despots and have remained uneducated throughout their lives probably wouldn't even understand the argument. But it seems too me that everyone should have the freedom to determine their own destiny, and that's where a collective effort is worthwhile. We can assist each other, in a local and international sense, to help others to take advantage of their own gifts and talents. Right now much of the world lives in poverty and squalor and many of these people could have been great achievers and made their mark on the world. But we'll never know what they might have been, and nor will they.
    Well, here at DP he has certainly received a large degree of support and fairly mild criticism in comparison with the perpetrators of the murders. And that's how it should be.
    I haven't done a count but it seems he has been attacked from many quarters. I'm guessing that when things cool down a little the blame will be laid more where it should be.

    Well, why don't you leave us to worry about that?
    Firstly because it doesn't seem many are genuinely concerned about it (the loss of free speech is one example) and secondly because it has international consequences. That's the reason many others are always interested in the United States and its foreign and domestic policies. It all matters.

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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    So, it's a radical fringe group in the ME and in Africa that hates Christians and Jews. It's still not a war between Islam and Christianity.
    It's certainly not a "fringe group" in the Middle East.

    And how many does it take to drive a people out of their homes and places of worship? A "fringe group", and you offer no idea of the numbers, could quite easily accomplish that. They are doing it now in fact, and it has no signs of slowing down.

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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Perhaps because you don't understand that I'm saying that Reverend Nutter isn't all that different from the Muslim radicals. Both are religious nutters.
    No, they are not even comparable, being that one is murdering completely random people.
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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It's certainly not a "fringe group" in the Middle East.

    And how many does it take to drive a people out of their homes and places of worship? A "fringe group", and you offer no idea of the numbers, could quite easily accomplish that. They are doing it now in fact, and it has no signs of slowing down.
    Mainstream Islam is not driving anyone out of their homes and places of worship. It's the lunatic fringe that is doing that. There just isn't much market for news about people going about their own business and peacefully living their lives.
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