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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Wow! You've posted something more than 50% of which I agree with. I'm flabbergasted.
    Then I'm more optimistic. You're making progress.

    I think the Napier quote is entertaining and apt. The problem with it is that the British Empire at the time were strapping dissidents over the ends of their cannons and blowing them to pieces for having the effrontery to protest at the foreign domination of their country. Was that so much more civilised than the practice of suttee? Nevertheless, the quote seems relevant.
    Dissidents? Napier doesn't mention "dissidents", which is a much abused word these days.

    The other thing with which I disagree is the way Steyn gives the Rev. Book Burner a free pass on his incitement to violence. I suspect he would be one of those who jumped up and down when a few extremist Moslems were burning the Satanic Verses in the streets of Toronto and London. I know I was. How the same behaviour by a religious bigot now gets a pass is beyond me.
    Anything can be construed as "an incitement to violence" if we are dealing with brains completely warped by religious fervor, as those Islamic butchers were. There is no 'incitement' too trivial once we start down any path which attempts to justify murderous religious fanatics.

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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Perhaps you and I differ on the definition of a right. For the purposes of this discussion, a right is a legal entity.




    If the right is eliminated in the way you described, it is no longer a right. For example, if Congress elminated the First Amendment as a right, you burning a book could be a capital offense. You do not have the right to burn the book, in this scenario, therefore, you have no right to lose if you do not burn a book for fear of retribution.
    Do you think a right can be curtailed while still being technically legal?

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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Dissidents? Napier doesn't mention "dissidents", which is a much abused word these days.
    No, Napier wouldn't mention them, nor the barbaric practices of the British overlords during the period of the Raj, but I'm not blowing hot air...

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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    No, Napier wouldn't mention them, nor the barbaric practices of the British overlords during the period of the Raj, but I'm not blowing hot air...

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    Perhaps not, but you're attempting to blow smoke in the wrong direction. Let's have a debate about British imperialism and the dissidents elsewhere.

    In the meanwhile, Taliban Militants Bomb Muslim Shrine in Pakistan, Kill 42, Christian News, The Christian Post

    How do we blame this one one on an obscure Florida pastor Muslims in Pakistan, or Afghanistan for that matter, never heard of?

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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Perhaps not, but you're attempting to blow smoke in the wrong direction. Let's have a debate about British imperialism and the dissidents elsewhere.

    In the meanwhile, Taliban Militants Bomb Muslim Shrine in Pakistan, Kill 42, Christian News, The Christian Post

    How do we blame this one one on an obscure Florida pastor Muslims in Pakistan, or Afghanistan for that matter, never heard of?
    Well, let's have a debate about unrelated attacks elsewhere.
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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Well, let's have a debate about unrelated attacks elsewhere.
    It seems clear that these attacks are related and none of them have anything to do with an obscure pastor in Florida. They have gone on for years before he came into view and will continue long after his 15 minutes are up.

    Anyone who believes that the riots and killings in Afghanistan were the result of some obscure Florida preacher or that other riots and killings around the world were a consequence of some locally published Danish cartoons, really should rethink what's happening in the world and check up on the history and meaning of what propaganda is and does. Others obviously have.

    If they can murder innocent people and blame it on the West, so much the better. But terrorists will continue their murders of innocents no matter what is said in the democracies. It really doesn't matter.

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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by Salty View Post
    imo he is guilty of seditious acts in a time of war. That's more than just freedom of speech.
    a rebelion against the government? If you classify this man guilty of that then every hippie in the U.S. during Vietnam would have been arrested and charged.

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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    I now feel like burning 100 Qurans and posting it up all over youtube, just to prove that i have a right to do whatever i want with my payed property(as long as im not harming anyone directly i.e. light a muslim on fire while holding a quran or chucking flaming qurans at people) without any conciquences .

    And i don't even hate Muslims or Islamic people, but to accuse a man by practicing his free speach is de-humanizing.
    Last edited by celticwar17; 04-04-11 at 05:04 PM.

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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Free-speech is a Universal right... no matter what someone says/does(legally) in America !everyone! in the world IS morally obligated to respect their free speech.

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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    Free-speech is a Universal right... no matter what someone says/does(legally) in America !everyone! in the world IS morally obligated to respect their free speech.
    Wow I didn't realize America gets to decide which rights are universal. Neato!
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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