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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Yes, I did. I've spoken several times about the febrile and intemperate atmosphere there caused by the military situation, the political situation and the ambience of general religious and social turmoil. To my mind this means people will behave in a manner that, given an atmosphere of calm, peace and contentment, they would not behave. Are they responsible for their actions? Sure. Of course they are. Are they able to think rationally and take calm, disinterested decisions based on reasonable points of view? No. Not at all, not under current conditions. Someone committing a crime passionel in the heat of the moment is still guilty of the crime, but it is explained somewhat by the state of mind of the person at the moment of committing that crime. Isn't it telling that the murders took place in Afghanistan?
    While I'm the last person to describe Afghanistan as some paradise you're trying to diminish the fact that many afghanis managed not to kill random people over the burning of a quran. They're people like you, and like you they are capable of analyzing if murder is the proper response to burning the quran
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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    You don't need to believe such tosh to know that tossing a loaf of bread amongst people driven crazy by hunger will cause a riot. He knew that and he did that. He is guilty of incitement, not of murder.
    It is obviously not "tosh' if you can anticipate Muslims forming a mob and attacking and murdering innocent people many thousands of miles away from where this symbolic act took place.

    Could anyone anticipate the consequences of cartoons as well, some of which the Imams also composed?

    I doubt this was any spontaneous uprising over some nobody preacher in Florida, any more than the riots and killings about the cartoons were spontaneous. They were designed to silence critics and spread terror.

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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It is obviously not "tosh' if you can anticipate Muslims forming a mob and attacking and murdering innocent people many thousands of miles away from where this symbolic act took place.

    Could anyone anticipate the consequences of cartoons as well, some of which the Imams also composed?

    I doubt this was any spontaneous uprising over some nobody preacher in Florida, any more than the riots and killings about the cartoons were spontaneous. They were designed to silence critics and spread terror.
    Obviously General Petraeus anticipated it...

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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Book burning is a very loud and violent way of silencing the opposition
    Somehow, I had been thinking that it was murdering innocent people because of one's ideology that did that.

    Silly me.
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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

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    Yes, I did. I've spoken several times about the febrile and intemperate atmosphere there caused by the military situation, the political situation and the ambience of general religious and social turmoil.
    But the riots and murders over the cartoons were hardly the result of any military situation. And they were international.
    Someone committing a crime passionel in the heat of the moment is still guilty of the crime, but it is explained somewhat by the state of mind of the person at the moment of committing that crime
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    But this was not "in the heat of the moment". This was months after the Florida incident took place.

    Isn't it telling that the murders took place in Afghanistan? Why there and not other fiercely faithful Islamic countries like Indonesia, Morocco, Oman or Iran? Why Afghanistan? Because people there are currently not behaving as they normally would.
    Perhaps the riots and murders will be somewhere else next time, just as previous riots were. Riots and murders within the Muslim community are not uncommon. We can see them regularly on TV. But this time their victims were more consequential to the world than their previous victims..

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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Obviously General Petraeus anticipated it...
    And he might have an inside track on just how crazy these people are and what they might use as excuses. But not until all those UN workers were murdered did many in the west believe that Muslims , followers of the "Religion of Peace", could ever behave in this barbaric fashion.

    My sincere apologies for claiming you used the term "bigot", by the way. It was another poster and I regret making that statement..

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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    And he might have an inside track on just how crazy these people are and what they might use as excuses. But not until all those UN workers were murdered did many in the west believe that Muslims , followers of the "Religion of Peace", could ever behave in this barbaric fashion.
    I certainly believed that extremist Muslims could have behaved in this fashion - I believed it after 9/11, after all of the beheadings of journalists, etc. - which is why I would have listened to Petraeus.

    My sincere apologies for claiming you used the term "bigot", by the way. It was another poster and I regret making that statement..
    Thanks man. We all misquote each other once in while. No big deal.

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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by ManofthPeephole View Post
    While I'm the last person to describe Afghanistan as some paradise you're trying to diminish the fact that many afghanis managed not to kill random people over the burning of a quran. They're people like you, and like you they are capable of analyzing if murder is the proper response to burning the quran
    They are indeed like you or me. No better, no worse. The difference is that neither you nor I have lived through times in which our country was invaded repeatedly by foreign armies, nor placed under the edict of religious authoritarians. Neither you nor I can guarantee what our response to provocation might be were we living under certain circumstances. It's very comfy for us to speculate, to say "well, not everyone rioted, so those that did are just deranged fanatics, terrorists even", when we don't know how we might behave ourselves. I would hope not to turn into a rampaging, blood-thirsty zealot just as I would hope I wouldn't have turned into a KKK member in post-Civil War America, or a Francoist in Civil War Spain, but speculating on how you might behave is very different from knowing. Of course most Afghans know that murder is not the appropriate response to some idiot Protestant's provocation. Hell, I'm sure some of the people involved in the violence are now wracked with guilt at their behaviour. People behave in wildly outrageous ways under exceptional circumstances. They then have to live with the consequences of that aberrant behaviour.
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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    Somehow, I had been thinking that it was murdering innocent people because of one's ideology that did that.

    Silly me.
    that's because you hate muslims, or what ever the current attack meme is

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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by soguks View Post
    the year 1998 the us military bombed two factories in Sudan after the terrorist attacks at two Us embassies in kenya and tanzania; but in those factories medicine and toys were being produced, unlike the claims by US that there were chemical weapons.

    the year 2001 terrorists attacked US and then US invaded Afghanistan,

    the year 2003 Us invaded Iraq by claiming there was nuks...the list continues....


    tell me who is mixing the apples and pears?
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