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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
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    Exactly.

    Anyone who doesn't respect Islam or anything Muslims consider Holy can expect Muslims to murder innocent people. We should all remain silent all things Islam.

    Well put, Theplaydrive.
    No, no, that would be silly Grant. Every academic institution, including my alma mater, would be shut down for stuff like that. You need to take that socialist nonsense out of here.

    I would say though, that provoking murderers is unwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I question the entire nature of "force" here. There was no force involved. Mr. Jones' proximity in almost all ways but publicity of his cheap stunt was immensely far away. There was no danger coming from his actions, no grand ultimatum, and no reason to attack anyone. To me, this is dangerously close to excusing the actions of these men.
    Again, I am NOT defending the radicals, but if people can't see how irresponsible Pastor Jones' actions were, well...I can't help you.

    As a veteran and former defender of hostile aggression against my nation and my fellow countrymen, I can only tell you that if I were fighting abroad to defend my country and I learned of one man or one group back home whose actions placed myself and my fellow comrades in arms further in harms way, I'd be pissed!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    How many wannabees like Pastor Jones are going to pop up after this? The ones looking for notoriety?
    You're asking a question to which I have no answer. But you can be sure that Pastor Jones just gave radical Islam exactly what they've been waiting for, that "gotcha moment", the ammunition they've been waiting for to kill in defense of their religion by virtue of saying, "See, America isn't such a tolerate nation of religious beliefs after all as they claim they are. They hate Muslims. Look what they did to our holy book?"

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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by ManofthPeephole View Post
    read up on special pleading. That's what you are doing here
    Read up on common sense. That's what you're lacking here.

    If you can't understand what I just said, you have a problem. If Policy X works for Town A, but not Town B that doesn't discredit Policy X. It means that Town A and Town B are different.

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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    I guess that I have to state my position: Laws and freedoms are not the point here. The inner-directed pastor is evil. The killers are the other-directed soldiers of evil. There are many examples in human history of this. And we clearly donít know how to stop it, and religion doesnít seem to help.

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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Then you misinterpret what people are saying about this incident. I don't think anyone is saying the Islamists are innocent here. They are NOT! But Pastor Jones did a very irresponsible thing after being warned what such an act would mean to those not only of the Muslim world, but also to those Americans and coalition forces in those Muslim countries who take the santity of their holy book far more serious than many Christians do today. Of course, Christianity has had its share of crackpots, too, i.e., the Crusades, the Salem Witch Hunts. Still, in this case, I blame Pastor Jones equally as much because he knew something like this would happen. He was forewarned by local authorities, Pentagon officials, the FBI/CIA and even the White House.

    I seriously doubt what he did could amount to something as serious as treason, but his actions certainly were wreckless and irresponsible. That's why people are so hard on him about this matter.
    See, even you are using the butt monkey to keep from putting the blame where it belongs.
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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Yes, no one anywhere should provoke Muslims or they will murder innocent people.

    Lesson learned.
    I didn't say that, now did I?

    Clearly, you and anyone else can "challenge" Islam, you just have to be smart about it.

    I've discussed the Qu'ron with American Muslims often. In some cases, we've agreed on some issues. In others, we've disagreed. But in no case has either side taken to doing the other harm for differing in our religious views. However, we both know there are some people you just can't reason with. Pastor Jones knew this when he burned the Qu'ron. He knew what was likely to happen, but he did it anyway. That's being irresponsible. He could have easily used his 15-minutes of fame to quote versus of the Qu'ron that point to versus therein that "authorizing" death, murder and deplorably acts and had far more success at pointing out such hypocrisies than he has by burning the Qu'ron. But his motives were obvious: He wanted Muslims to commit murder to prove his point about the religion (or more accurately, the radicals within the Muslim faith). Only he forgot one thing: Not every Muslim believes as Islamists do.
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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Has anyone in this thread blammed all this on Obama yet?
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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    See, even you are using the butt monkey to keep from putting the blame where it belongs.
    Then clearly you didn't read further along in the thread where I posted this:

    Both were wrong - the Islamists clearly moreso than Pastor Jones. Personally, I condemn the actions of both.

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    I don't know why or how MLK got drug into this. If I walk up to you and your kids at the store and start calling your daughter a little ***** or a ******. You will obviously just smile and say "well honey he has the right to call you whatever he wants" Ofcourse you will not react because you are satisfied that the right to do it trumps all else. I sort of doubt that.
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    Both are forms of speech that hurt no one, and shouldn't be held liable by the irrational response to it. Otherwise, you're endorsing silencing speech that is in anyway controversial, and may rile people

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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    An oversight I assure you
    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    Has anyone in this thread blammed all this on Obama yet?

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