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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    He is no man of god. He is as cold blooded as the murders in Afghanistan. He knew exactly what he was doing and what reaction there would be against it. He provoked the murders of Afghanistan and should stand trial for at least man-slaughter if not out right murder. Alternatively he should be extradited to Afghanistan or any Muslim nation who wants him and let them deal with his hatemongering.
    This argument is as idiotic as the Muslims who think that it is OK to kill people for what the preacher did. People are responsible for their own behaviors, Pete. The people who were killed by the Muslim extremists... the fault of their deaths are 100% because of the Muslim extremists. The preacher has ZERO responsibility in that. His responsibility is exercising his rights in an irresponsible and idiotic way.
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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

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    Not the point being made by the loonies posting here. Some want a man exercising his freedoms in America to be held criminally liable for the antics of animals overseas. Others want him banned from the media.

    Clearly there's an easy solution to the picketing of funerals by lawyers pretending to be religious nuts. Make it a misdemeanor for anyone attending a funeral to break the legs of anyone protesting that funeral. The fine shall be $10 per tibia, with a maximum of 1 night in jail.

    That'll put a stop to that nonsense real fast. Mayor Snorkum has no idea what pestering lawyers has to do with terrorists and animals in Afghanland, but you saw something.
    I'll just ignore the assault bit all the inconsistencies that come with it.

    Some made that point, true. Councilman was simply stating what he believed to be the best way of dealing with him. He wasn't saying the guy should be censored, simply that the media shouldn't cover his antics. No part of the 1st amendment requires media outlets to put guys like this on the air.
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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    You are correct. In the US, his First Amendment rights allow him to, legally, burn the Koran. The question isn't whether he had the right... of course he did. The question is, does it make sense, it is the prudent thing to do? For example, you are a pedestrian walking across the street. The light is red, so you have the right of way. A car, not caring about the right of way, comes speeding your way. Do you keep walking, because you have the right of way... getting hit in the process?

    Sometimes exercising your rights solely because you can is pretty stupid. Words and actions have consequences, even if the are a right or are legal.
    The question is, where are you people getting off judging him? Okay, you have that right as well, so fine, but the whole exercise turns into a circle jerk once all the adults figure out that Jones had the freedom to act as he did and that questions about the wisdom of the act are irrelevant since there's no law preventing Jones from doing exactly the same thing five times a day when the muslims are called to prayer.

    The fault for the incident does not lie with Jones. The damage was done by malignant children embraced by a religion of hatred and insanity.

    That should be the focus of the discussion, what to do about the crazy animals with the headsman's paring knife.

    Mayor Snorkum's position is that the United States should unilaterally withdraw from Islamic lands with the caveat that if ANY islamic terrorist act ever again occurs on US soil or at US embassies or against US military or commercially flagged ships that the United States is going to make the originating nation a bubbling mass of glass, without wasting time on useless recourse to the UN or NATO or anyone.

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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    The question is, where are you people getting off judging him? Okay, you have that right as well, so fine, but the whole exercise turns into a circle jerk once all the adults figure out that Jones had the freedom to act as he did and that questions about the wisdom of the act are irrelevant since there's no law preventing Jones from doing exactly the same thing five times a day when the muslims are called to prayer.
    Of course he had the right. That's irrelevant, though, as to whether he showed good judgment in exercising that right. He didn't.

    The fault for the incident does not lie with Jones. The damage was done by malignant children embraced by a religion of hatred and insanity.
    Read my other post. I agree that the responsibility for the murders lie with those who committed the murders.

    That should be the focus of the discussion, what to do about the crazy animals with the headsman's paring knife.
    The discussion is twofold. The insanity and barbarism of the Muslim extremists who committed the murders and the irresponsibility of Jones for exercising his rights in an irresponsible way. Both statements are accurate.

    Mayor Snorkum's position is that the United States should unilaterally withdraw from Islamic lands with the caveat that if ANY islamic terrorist act ever again occurs on US soil or at US embassies or against US military or commercially flagged ships that the United States is going to make the originating nation a bubbling mass of glass, without wasting time on useless recourse to the UN or NATO or anyone.
    And Mayor Snorkum's position is quite short-sighted and narrow. If a citizen of another country enacts a terrorist act on a US citizen, the country of origin of that first citizen is not necessarily responsible for that individual's behavior.

    Mayor Snorkum needs to take his blinders off and realize that there are shades of gray to situations such as these.
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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    The question is, where are you people getting off judging him? Okay, you have that right as well, so fine, but the whole exercise turns into a circle jerk once all the adults figure out that Jones had the freedom to act as he did and that questions about the wisdom of the act are irrelevant since there's no law preventing Jones from doing exactly the same thing five times a day when the muslims are called to prayer.
    Just because an action is legal doesn't mean it cannot (or should not) be questioned.



    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    Mayor Snorkum's position is that the United States should unilaterally withdraw from Islamic lands with the caveat that if ANY islamic terrorist act ever again occurs on US soil or at US embassies or against US military or commercially flagged ships that the United States is going to make the originating nation a bubbling mass of glass, without wasting time on useless recourse to the UN or NATO or anyone.
    Would you agree with this measure if it was held by all countries? i.e. If a single person affiliated with the united states performs a terrorist act in our country then the United States must be nuked?
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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    He is no man of god. He is as cold blooded as the murders in Afghanistan. He knew exactly what he was doing and what reaction there would be against it. He provoked the murders of Afghanistan and should stand trial for at least man-slaughter if not out right murder. Alternatively he should be extradited to Afghanistan or any Muslim nation who wants him and let them deal with his hatemongering.
    Did you notice how the protestors immediated shouted "Death to America"? Yeah, either morons or totally staged.
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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    I have to wonder if all the people in this thread that are so enraged at the pastor and calling him a murder get as indignant over the burning of the flag and the killing of americans or protests chanting death to america and the murdering of americans....lets get real here....the pastor has done ALOT less than the muslims have over the years to US...and its NOT terrorists its just regular ole everyday murderous type muslims...

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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    These Muslims are insane! They act like drunk children that are hate-filled. People that worship Satan are better people than these Islamic animals!! They are barbarians! They killed 12 people because someone burned their book! 12 people DEAD... horribly murdered.... brutally murdered. Because of a book that was burned. Im all for nuking that whole area and wiping out these crazy people!



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    Nukes? Really Noodle? how would that make you any better than them? It would then be just a chain of overreactions.
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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    These Muslims are insane! They act like drunk children that are hate-filled. People that worship Satan are better people than these Islamic animals!! They are barbarians! They killed 12 people because someone burned their book! 12 people DEAD... horribly murdered.... brutally murdered. Because of a book that was burned. Im all for nuking that whole area and wiping out these crazy people!



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    Ah yes noodle.

    Genocide is clearly the answer.

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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Ah yes noodle.

    Genocide is clearly the answer.
    I'm surprised how often I have to mention that such an act is in fact genocide. I had someone in a class years ago in high school say the wars in the MidEast would be easier if we just "nuked the whole place"---and that IS a direct quote, it left that much of an impression in my mind to this day. When I hear repeats/echoes of that sentiment I get a bit depressed that people actually think that's a solution of some kind.

    I also agree with the sentiment expressed prior that retaliation against the entire area for the acts of a few monstrous zealots would be poor precedent---I certainly don't want to be judged based on the pastor's remarks and actions (although that's exactly why the reaction was so virulent in places like Afghanistan; they have no idea that huge numbers of us disown the Koran-burning), nor should I be.

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