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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    If there were a bunch of crazies who would riot and start cutting off heads as a result of burning a US flag, then doing so would be highly irresponsible, don't you think?

    There is a bunch of crazies who will riot and start cutting off heads when the Koran is burned. That is a fact that is well known, and was well known by Reverend Nutter and his followers. Burning the Koran, therefore, was highly irresponsible, and they should be called on it.
    Where does it end then? How much are we going to allow others to dictate what we are allowed to do in this country? We already have them dictating what cartoons are acceptable to them. Didn't also South Park have to pull one of their episodes because radical Islamics said so?
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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Nonetheless, I believe he has a part in the cause of this entire situation. He should acknowledge his part in the cause and others should to.
    Yes, and MLK was responsible for a bunch of racists rioting, due to his actions...

    Or how about the girls who dressed like a slut? Of course she's responsible when someone rapes her...

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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by ManofthPeephole View Post
    Yes, and MLK was responsible for a bunch of racists rioting, due to his actions...

    Or how about the girls who dressed like a slut? Of course she's responsible when someone rapes her...
    And here we are again. Remember the time I said that I distinguish criticism and unnecessary/reckless provocation.

    There is a reason why I and others don't condemn academics and policymakers when they criticize Islam, but instead condemn ignorant fools who burn Korans/provoke murderers.

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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    The radical Muslims want to kill all infidels. We had the cartoons and now we have the burning of the koran. Maybe they are willing to use any excuse. What next?
    Nothing but the same excuses are next. People will continue to believe that the only reasons extremists do what they do is because of poverty, or politics, or some other disagreement unrelated to their religious beliefs (which they may be right, but only in SOME cases). The simple fact is that Islam is NOT a religion of peace. If you want a religion of peace then look at Jainism. There is no reasonable way to derive acts or violence and evil from the tenants of Jainism. However, within Islam violence can easily be interpreted as necessary. The same for Christianity but to a lesser extent.

    As long as people continue to presume the truth of their ideology/holybook/leader rather than thinking for themselves then these types of scenarios will continue to play out time and time again.
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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by ManofthPeephole View Post
    Yes, and MLK was responsible for a bunch of racists rioting, due to his actions...

    Or how about the girls who dressed like a slut? Of course she's responsible when someone rapes her...
    By the same logic, would those who say that Pastor Jones is blameless admit that liberals/media/hippies were not responsible for us losing in Vietnam? They were exercising their 1st Amendment rights, after all...
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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It is never wrong to exercise your rights. Other people are going to act irrationally and irresponsibly, but that cannot be proper argument for the restriction of our own exercise of rights. It's like saying that someone who burns the American Flag in demonstration should be liable if someone else gets pissed off and punches some other dude. But that's ridiculous. The pastor did nothing wrong, he was completely within his rights to do so.
    Yes, he was completely within his rights. Now, it's time for him to face up to the responsibilities that go with those rights.

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    But murdering people because they burn a book is not a reasonable response. You cannot blame the pastor for those actions.
    Of course, it is not a reasonable response, but it was the expected response.


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    And Civil Court is still government force. The court system is part of government and essentially you're saying there should be repercussions for this man exercising his right. Which I do think is an irrational response.
    No, civil court is the way we determine when someone elses actions has impinged on our own liberties, not government force. Taking someone to court for the results of their having exercised the right to free speech is not the same as the government taking away that right.
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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    And here we are again. Remember the time I said that I distinguish criticism and unnecessary/reckless provocation.

    There is a reason why I and others don't condemn academics and policymakers when they criticize Islam, but instead condemn ignorant fools who burn Korans/provoke murderers.
    Both are forms of speech that hurt no one, and shouldn't be held liable by the irrational response to it. Otherwise, you're endorsing silencing speech that is in anyway controversial, and may rile people

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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    No, you don't. You are absolutely wrong, here. You have only chosen to not exercise your rights. They still exist... you could choose to re-exercise them at any time. I am NOT speaking figuratively... literally only.
    I think the point is that ONE may choose not to exercise a right and have it not disappear, but when someone else suggest another person should not exercise it may. I believe that such rights are diminished when we do not chose to exercise them out of fear or because others coerce us to do so.
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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    I actually think the mosque was the right thing to do. It shows who we are. Proud of our diversity
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    I believe he was protesting the ground zero mosque. You know, the one where everyone has agreed Rauf has the right to build, but is it the right thing to do.

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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    By the same logic, would those who say that Pastor Jones is blameless admit that liberals/media/hippies were not responsible for us losing in Vietnam? They were exercising their 1st Amendment rights, after all...
    lol, you're asking me to answer for the beliefs of others?

    Vietnam was lost due to poor leadership, and political interests taking precedence over military ones.

    The protests were just the symptoms of such ill planning, not the cause

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