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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Are they going to kill 12 innocent people everytime someone has a hog roast?
    Thanks a lot. Now Im hungry. Going out for some BBQ.

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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    What was the point in burning a Qu'ran?
    I believe he was protesting the ground zero mosque. You know, the one where everyone has agreed Rauf has the right to build, but is it the right thing to do.
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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Want to see what these evil savage barbarian muslims did in the name of their crappy book? Here is a beheading in the name of islam: EDITED FOR CONTENT WARNING: Beheading In the Name Of Allah[/url]
    (PLEASE NOTE: the video is REAL! It will give you nightmares if you watch it! I suggest you DONT watch it. And it is of course NSFW!!!)
    Compare THAT to burning a freakin book!!!!!
    Anyone who dares think what this pastor did was even CLOSE to equal to these evil scum muslims just watch that video!!
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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yes with rights comes responsibilities. What did he do that was wrong? You cannot infringe upon the rights of others in the process of exercising your own. So what did he do? He burned the Koran, a book he bought. He burned his own property. He may have been trying to gain publicity or whatever by doing so, but he was well within his rights to do so. The unreasonable action, the action which infringes upon others, is not the burning of the book. Rather it is the murder which followed, and for that he had not action. He didn't commission the act, he didn't participate in the act. You can say "well he shouldn't do it because it will get this response". I prefer to say "well you shouldn't be killing people because someone else burned your book."
    No, of course killing people because someone else burned your book is the act of irrational people. When those people are known to be irrational, when it is predictable that they will go on a killing spree as a result of burning a book, then doing so is highly irresponsible. That's what Reverend Nutter did that was wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    In the end, some of y'all are are calling for the use of government force against this man's exercise of rights when he himself did nothing wrong. It's the people who are killing others who are at fault. With rights come responsibilities. We have the duty and responsibility to recognize the rights of others and allow them their free exercise of their rights. This call for government force and coercion I think is maybe a bit overboard. The people at fault are the one's who make the choice to act.
    I'm not calling for the use of government force. It is not up to the government to force someone to take responsibility for the irresponsible exercise of basic rights, and most definitely not up to them to take rights away because of irresponsibility. That is a function of the courts and the individuals who were harmed as a result of said actions.

    Were someone to make a public statement that injured me in some way, i wouldn't be calling on the government to take their rights away. I'd exercise my rights to haul his butt into civil court and answer for his actions. That is exactly what should happen to Reverend Nutter, he should be hauled into civil court and made to answer for his actions.

    He knew that burning he Koran would result in injury to others. He did it anyway. That is simply wrong.
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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    Want to see what these evil savage barbarian muslims did in the name of their crappy book? Here is a beheading in the name of islam: WARNING: Beheading In the Name Of Allah
    (PLEASE NOTE: the video is REAL! It will give you nightmares if you watch it! I suggest you DONT watch it. And it is of course NSFW!!!)
    Compare THAT to burning a freakin book!!!!!
    Anyone who dares think what this pastor did was even CLOSE to equal to these evil scum muslims just watch that video!!
    lol Noodle you're hilarious

    Translation: I'm gonna post this video link here so you can all see how evil Muslims are, but I strongly encourage you not to watch it because it will give you bad dreams!
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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Reverend Jones had every right, under the first Amendment, to burn the Koran.

    Along with that right, comes responsibility.

    You can yell "fire" in the crowded theater, but you're responsible for the riot that ensues. You can say that your neighbor is a child molester, but, if that isn't true, your neighbor has the right to sue for defamation. You have the right to incite crazies to violence, but you're responsible for the results.

    There are no rights without responsibilities.
    Please respond to the example about the animal-rights activists. What if they killed 12 people everytime a hunter shot a deer. Wouldn't you feel the right to hunt had been at least compromised?
    Shouting fire, is illegal if there is no fire. Killing a deer during deer season and with the proper license is legal.
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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    No, of course killing people because someone else burned your book is the act of irrational people. When those people are known to be irrational, when it is predictable that they will go on a killing spree as a result of burning a book, then doing so is highly irresponsible. That's what Reverend Nutter did that was wrong..
    you could say the same thing about people standing up to fascists or the klan

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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    lol Noodle you're hilarious

    Translation: I'm gonna post this video link here so you can all see how evil Muslims are, but I strongly encourage you not to watch it because it will give you bad dreams!
    Yup. Annnnnnd???
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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I'm not calling for the use of government force. It is not up to the government to force someone to take responsibility for the irresponsible exercise of basic rights, and most definitely not up to them to take rights away because of irresponsibility. That is a function of the courts and the individuals who were harmed as a result of said actions.

    Were someone to make a public statement that injured me in some way, i wouldn't be calling on the government to take their rights away. I'd exercise my rights to haul his butt into civil court and answer for his actions. That is exactly what should happen to Reverend Nutter, he should be hauled into civil court and made to answer for his actions.

    He knew that burning he Koran would result in injury to others. He did it anyway. That is simply wrong.
    So you want people to pay for the irrational actions of others? You're essentially working to silence anything potentially controversial, and that may cause a reaction. Just think how stifled the civil rights movement would have been if they were held liable for all the chaos , death, and injury that surrounded the movement. caused by those opposing it

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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    Yup. Annnnnnd???
    Just found it funny that's all. Telling people to watch something and not watch it at the same time.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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