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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    They never have before. Hardly the same thing though.
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    The radical Muslims want to kill all infidels. We had the cartoons and now we have the burning of the koran. Maybe they are willing to use any excuse. What next? Are they going to kill 12 innocent people everytime someone has a hog roast?

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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    If there were a bunch of crazies who would riot and start cutting off heads as a result of burning a US flag, then doing so would be highly irresponsible, don't you think?

    There is a bunch of crazies who will riot and start cutting off heads when the Koran is burned. That is a fact that is well known, and was well known by Reverend Nutter and his followers. Burning the Koran, therefore, was highly irresponsible, and they should be called on it.
    It may be irresponsible given the current system. However, he is still free to do so and he is no murderer as I've seen some people earlier state.
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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    You are the one suggesting I would deny his rights
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    I'm sorry if you can't understand logical consistency. But then again, you're the guy suggesting only "muslim haters" would support civil rights

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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    The radical Muslims want to kill all infidels. We had the cartoons and now we have the burning of the koran. Maybe they are willing to use any excuse. What next? Are they going to kill 12 innocent people everytime someone has a hog roast?
    Not all Muslims are crazy jihadis. Not all Christians are followers of Reverend Nutter, either.

    I think that's a good thing, don't you?
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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Such a scenario was created by burning the Koran, unless, of course, you think the victims actually had the option to deliberate their fate.
    So in your mind afghans are mindless automatons who simply react to stimuli, and lack anything resembling independent thought?



    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Absolutely. The civil rights activists were responsible for all of the outcomes of their activism. The question is, were there more positive, or more negative consequences to their actions?
    the value of free speech isn't solely found in what you agree with, or find furthering the good of society. In fact, I would say protecting the ability to state something offensive (which civil rights were to many) is more important than protecting that which everyone agrees with
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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It may be irresponsible given the current system. However, he is still free to do so and he is no murderer as I've seen some people earlier state.
    His actions were irresponsible, and he should be held to account for it. As I just said, along with rights come responsibilities. The two can't be separated.
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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikeyy View Post
    You are the one suggesting I would deny his rights
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1059387796

    no, you suggested it right here

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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikeyy View Post
    Again, You spin everything in order to avoid condemning Jones without reservation. It makes one wonder again if you might want to join him in his Koran burning.
    No, just look up, and read on, logical fallacies. It will save everyone here much effort

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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    His actions were irresponsible, and he should be held to account for it. As I just said, along with rights come responsibilities. The two can't be separated.
    Yes with rights comes responsibilities. What did he do that was wrong? You cannot infringe upon the rights of others in the process of exercising your own. So what did he do? He burned the Koran, a book he bought. He burned his own property. He may have been trying to gain publicity or whatever by doing so, but he was well within his rights to do so. The unreasonable action, the action which infringes upon others, is not the burning of the book. Rather it is the murder which followed, and for that he had not action. He didn't commission the act, he didn't participate in the act. You can say "well he shouldn't do it because it will get this response". I prefer to say "well you shouldn't be killing people because someone else burned your book."

    In the end, some of y'all are are calling for the use of government force against this man's exercise of rights when he himself did nothing wrong. It's the people who are killing others who are at fault. With rights come responsibilities. We have the duty and responsibility to recognize the rights of others and allow them their free exercise of their rights. This call for government force and coercion I think is maybe a bit overboard. The people at fault are the one's who make the choice to act.
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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    So actually, the only thing we disagree about is whether or not it was forseeable.

    I don't support any changes to the laws or Constitution with regards to his right to burn the Koran. All I'm saying is that just because you have the legal right to be an asshole, it doesn't mean you should be.

    Inherent in these rights is the right to not excercise them. Freedom of Religion includes the right to be an atheist. The Right to Bear Arms includes the right to not own any weapons at all. Sometimes it's smarter not to, and this was probably one of those times.

    I fail to see a disagreement between your posts and my beliefs on this subject



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