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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    who are you arguing with. I never question his right but his wisdom. I question his courage as well.
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    Have you not been reading this thread? Anyone here who calls for Jones to be sued, extradited to Afgahnistan, stoned, hands cut off or whatever, is not only questioning his right to free speech, they're saying he doesn't have it. Look, I totally agree that just because something is a right, doesn't mean it is right, but I'd rather live in a country where there's free speech even if it's speech that offends me.

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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    The one thing in this debate that just doesn't feel right to me is the feeling I'm getting that people seem to believe that the action of burning books is somehow a part of the sacred convenant of the freedom of expression or freedom of religion. There is nothing sacrosanct in upholding a behaviour that, of itself, represents the opposite of the freedom of expression.

    I am not advocating that it should be made illegal, but that the reaction to it of the rest of society should be one of deep disapproval and enhanced vigilance to ensure that those carrying out such book-burnings realise that the wider community understands perfectly well the route they might be planning to take us down.

    Book burning is a deeply authoritarian action, one that has been a hallmark of the most despotic regimes in history, in fact one of the actions of the very people whose values these book-burners claim to despise. You don't show your disapproval of fascistic behaviour by adopting the same behaviour.

    It's been quoted many times on DP, but to remind you:
    I knew you were going to use that quote. Book burning by government authority figures is different than private citizens doing it as a form of protest. In a sense, burning things with the intent of being offensive, is the epitome of free speech in the US.
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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by The Giant Noodle View Post
    They JUST didnt die. They were BRUTALLY MURDERED!!! Why? Because some guy on the other side of the Earth burned their book. Religion SUCKS! And especially the muslim religion. They are murders and barbarians.
    Evidence of religious violence on any side of the field is riddled throughout history. The being an Islamic reaction holds no correlation to the violence itself.

    I am not religious, but I can say, for sure, that the burning of any holy book is wrong; as well as the reaction of the offended.

    Though United States national interest leans towards ignoring the matter and asking United Nations for forgiveness. The afghan people are fragile right now and one wrong turn would put the country back in the turmoil we have (unfortunately) fought to get them out of.

    It's quite a sticky situation.

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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikeyy View Post
    who are you arguing with. I never question his right but his wisdom. I question his courage as well.
    I think every one here has questioned his wisdom and courage. We don't have to like the speaker or the message to believe in free speech.
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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    and you would lose that suit and hopefully the judge would hit you with sanctions pursuant to civil rule 11.

    if Christians killed people everytime the jihadist scum insulted the Christian faith or the west we would have a 100 million dead muslims
    The actions of that jihadist scum were the totally predictable outcome of the actions of Reverend Nutter. He knew, or at least should have known, that his publicity stunt was putting lives at risk. He is, therefore, to blame for having set off religious extremists and indirectly having caused death and injury.
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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Again, Who has questioned his right? It really was never the question at all by anyone.
    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I think every one here has questioned his wisdom and courage. We don't have to like the speaker or the message to believe in free speech.

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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    The actions of that jihadist scum were the totally predictable outcome of the actions of Reverend Nutter. He knew, or at least should have known, that his publicity stunt was putting lives at risk. He is, therefore, to blame for having set off religious extremists and indirectly having caused death and injury.
    Do you have a legal basis for arguing this?

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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by Mikeyy View Post
    Again, Who has questioned his right? It really was never the question at all by anyone.
    Once again, yes it has. Anyone who's claiming that Jones should be held accountable in some way, is effectively saying he didn't have the right.
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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    The one thing in this debate that just doesn't feel right to me is the feeling I'm getting that people seem to believe that the action of burning books is somehow a part of the sacred convenant of the freedom of expression or freedom of religion. There is nothing sacrosanct in upholding a behaviour that, of itself, represents the opposite of the freedom of expression.

    I am not advocating that it should be made illegal, but that the reaction to it of the rest of society should be one of deep disapproval and enhanced vigilance to ensure that those carrying out such book-burnings realise that the wider community understands perfectly well the route they might be planning to take us down.

    Book burning is a deeply authoritarian action, one that has been a hallmark of the most despotic regimes in history, in fact one of the actions of the very people whose values these book-burners claim to despise. You don't show your disapproval of fascistic behaviour by adopting the same behaviour yourself.

    It's been quoted many times on DP, but to remind you:
    If you ban burning things, as a form of protest, the Liberals won't have anyway to express their outrage, at anything.

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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    What was the point in burning a Qu'ran?

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