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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    What harm did Reverend Jones suffer as a result of his choice to exercise his freedom?

    None.
    One's behavior does not only affect that individual. You shouting fire in a theater affects lots of other people.

    Therefore there was no reason for him to refrain.
    Of course there was. He doesn't live in a vacuum.

    Start telling yourself that Jones bears NO responsibility for crackpots in Afghanistan.
    Start pointing out where I said he had any responsibility for what those crackpots in Afghanistan did. My posts in this thread won't be hard to find. Go to it.
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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by ManofthPeephole View Post
    No, you have a right to get shot in the face. You're right of self-defense was taken from you when you were put into a position of violence that you can't defend against
    No, my right to self-defense was never taken from me. I can choose to defend myself whether or not I am successful.

    And please show me a law on the books that indicates that I have a right to get shot in the face.
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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    So you're saying that rights exist only when extortion is absent.

    Nice.

    Just think, there are shop keepers in Wisconsin facing the threat of union boycotts if they don't put pro-union signs in their windows for free.

    Store fronts cost money to rent, the unions are therefore stealing from those shop keepers just for the sign space, and they're threatening worse if their demands are not met. So the shop keepers have lost their right to run their business as they chose, according to you.

    NO, THEY HAVE NOT LOST THEIR RIGHTS JUST BECAUSE THUGS THREATEN THEM. In this country laws exist to protect them from thugs. And they are in no wise responsible for the actions others take when they exercise those basic freedoms.

    Whackies killed a dozen in Afganistan because of some completely irrelevant and insignificant act by a nobody in the United States?

    Too.
    Damn.
    Bad.

    The man in the US doesn't lose his rights thereby, and should not. It's up to the people overseas to control their idiots, or not, as they choose. But the blame for the crimes committed by the idiots in Afghanistan stops with the idiots in Afghanistan.

    No, I am saying you lose your rights when you voluntarily give them up, due to the threat of force. If you don't give them up, you haven't lost anything

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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    One's behavior does not only affect that individual. You shouting fire in a theater affects lots of other people.
    Why is everyone making this comparison? Such an act is illegal because it requires immediate action that isn't open to deliberation. The same effect isn't achieved from burning a Quran

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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    No, my right to self-defense was never taken from me. I can choose to defend myself whether or not I am successful.

    And please show me a law on the books that indicates that I have a right to get shot in the face.
    I'm speaking figuratively. You're right at self defense ended the moment you were put into circumstances that you couldn't defend yourself against

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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    I care that a pastor would successfully set up a situation where we could rant with religious indignation comparing the burning of a koran to the murder of 12 people. The murder is important to me. Where it’s going is scary.
    You need to sort out who's responsible for what.

    Reverend Jones is responsible for releasing CO2 and water vapor, the products of combustion, and that's it.

    The crazies in Afghanistan are responsible for killing a dozen people.

    Nothing wrong with being upset about those deaths. It's silly and pointless to blame the Reverend Jones unless you can show video of Jones with the murder weapon in his hands.

    This is America. People have the freedom to engage in pointless provocation. People do not have the freedom to restrain those acts unless the acts themselves present immediate harm to others. A crazy watching a YouTube video and deciding to rush out and kill people, that's secondary harm, not immediate, and those people made independent choices to murder.

    Want to stop the crazies? Then Afganistan and the other hate filled islamic countries have to start executing their imam who preach hate and encourage actions that lead to the slaughter of innocents. The US cannot clean that up, and it should neither try to do that or try to erode American freedoms in the US to prevent further such atrocities. No one in America bears the blame for the event.

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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    One's behavior does not only affect that individual. You shouting fire in a theater affects lots of other people.



    Of course there was. He doesn't live in a vacuum.



    Start pointing out where I said he had any responsibility for what those crackpots in Afghanistan did. My posts in this thread won't be hard to find. Go to it.
    Doesn't your first two statements contradict your third?
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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by ManofthPeephole View Post
    I'm not the one demanding you respect my invisible sky-daddy

    PS and "mutual respect" doesn't mean I do exactly what you want. It means we agree to respect each others boundaries and freedom. Like the freedom to be critical of a set of myths that some assholes take way to seriously
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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by ManofthPeephole View Post
    I'm speaking figuratively. You're right at self defense ended the moment you were put into circumstances that you couldn't defend yourself against
    No.

    Their ability to defend themselves was compromised, their right still existed.

    Rights don't vanish.

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    Re: Pastor who burned Koran demands retribution

    Quote Originally Posted by ManofthPeephole View Post
    Why is everyone making this comparison? Such an act is illegal because it requires immediate action that isn't open to deliberation. The same effect isn't achieved from burning a Quran
    In this case I am not speaking legally. I am demonstrating that one's actions can have an impact on others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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