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    Re: 8 killed in protest at UN office in Northern Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by gunner View Post
    Eight foreigners have been killed after demonstrators protesting a reported burning of the Muslim holy book stormed a UN office in northern Afghanistan.

    The protesters were condemning a reported burning of the Koran at a small Florida church led by Reverend Terry Jones.

    Eight Killed In Protest At UN Office In Northern Afghanistan - Radio Free Europe / Radio Liberty 2011

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    Well, if there were a better way to get more people to side with Jones, I for one can't think of it.

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    Re: 8 killed in protest at UN office in Northern Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    If morons in this country didn't walk around burning Korans and proving Islamic extremists right (who claim that the U.S. hates Muslims), some of this stuff could be avoided. Some people will always hate us, but when we prove their accusations right, their cause becomes more legitimate and violence like this becomes more likely.
    The only thing moronic here is your posting, although burning books may be wrongheaded its perfectly legal in this country just like burning the flag. So then you'd appease the radical adherants of a bigotted intolerant version of there religion by letting them dictate whats legal or illegal over here in our country? When would this ever stop? It wouldnt, anyone who riots & kills people over a burnt book is not someone who I give a damn what they think and if anything..... this proves our accusations about some of the more radical elements of their religion which is they cannot tolerate anyone who thinks differently than them.

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    Re: 8 killed in protest at UN office in Northern Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by gunner View Post
    Eight foreigners have been killed after demonstrators protesting a reported burning of the Muslim holy book stormed a UN office in northern Afghanistan.

    The protesters were condemning a reported burning of the Koran at a small Florida church led by Reverend Terry Jones.

    Eight Killed In Protest At UN Office In Northern Afghanistan - Radio Free Europe / Radio Liberty 2011

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    If anyone burns the Bible nobody will cut throats for that. In the civilized world people would say that the Lord would punish that person. But in Afghanistan they who cut throats distrust their God and punish themselves. But they are also very mean as they attack the innocent. They are afraid to attack the army. That is what terrorists really are. They are just nationalists.

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    Re: 8 killed in protest at UN office in Northern Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I don't think burning the Koran or burning the flag should be illegal if that's what you mean - but I do think that doing both is stupid and burning the Koran is even more stupid considering that it gives anti-American terrorist organizations more fuel for their arguments/recruitment.
    What is wrong with you? The burning of the Koran is just an excuse. Its not like they wouldn't use another to kill. The ammo that we, yes even you, provide for them could be our life styles, it could the color of our hair, it could be our religion or lack their of, it could an action you take or one you don't take, it could be anything. Stop drinking the liberal kool aid that says we must make sure to not feed them.
    Last edited by Henrin; 04-02-11 at 02:26 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I don't think burning the Koran or burning the flag should be illegal if that's what you mean - but I do think that doing both is stupid and burning the Koran is even more stupid considering that it gives anti-American terrorist organizations more fuel for their arguments/recruitment.
    That is what extremists and nationalists want. They want you to cange your own laws and curb your own freedoms and if you give in every time you will soon find yourself in a changed country like Afghanistan itself!!! Do you really want that? That is the policy of appeasing. That alwas leads to defeat. I live in another country and I have less freedoms than you have and I know what I am talking about. If you do not use them (freedoms) you loose them.

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    Re: 8 killed in protest at UN office in Northern Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    What is wrong with you? The burning of the Koran is just an excuse. Its not like they wouldn't use another to kill. The ammo that we, yes even you, provide for them could be our life styles, it could the color of our hair, it could be our religion or lack their of, it could an action you take or one you don't take, it could be anything. Stop drinking the liberal kool aid that says we must make sure to not feed them.
    It'd be better if we didn't give them any ammo at all. Yes they are ****ing crazy. But the idea that "these people hate us because they hate freedom and they hate the way we live, because we are good and they are evil" is not reality.
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    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: 8 killed in protest at UN office in Northern Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    It'd be better if we didn't give them any ammo at all. Yes they are ****ing crazy. But the idea that "these people hate us because they hate freedom and they hate the way we live, because we are good and they are evil" is not reality.
    I never said anything about good and evil. Anyone looking to recruit people into a cause, any cause, will try to find ways to get the recruits to not like their opponents. Its just part of it. Burning their book is powerful I will give that and it gives more ammo than just some random thing that they saw or made up, but its really doesn't make much a difference on their success rate.

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    Re: 8 killed in protest at UN office in Northern Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    only those who did the killings are the direct cause of the deaths. just horrible.

    as for Rev Jones, well, what a wonderfully sweet example of christian tolerance and understanding. he must be very proud of himself.
    Well, being that he hasn't called for the killing of people for disrespecting the bible, I would say he is quite tolerent, compared to some

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    Re: 8 killed in protest at UN office in Northern Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I never said anything about good and evil. Anyone looking to recruit people into a cause, any cause, will try to find ways to get the recruits to not like their opponents. Its just part of it. Burning their book is powerful I will give that and it gives more ammo than just some random thing that they saw or made up, but its really doesn't make much a difference on their success rate.
    Likely not a whole lot of difference, but like I said it's better that we don't give them ammo. While Pastor Jones' actions are protected under American law, they do have consequences likely far beyond what he had anticipated. You don't burn someone's holy book and not expect some people, somewhere to get really ****ing pissed.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: 8 killed in protest at UN office in Northern Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    If morons in this country didn't walk around burning Korans and proving Islamic extremists right (who claim that the U.S. hates Muslims), some of this stuff could be avoided. Some people will always hate us, but when we prove their accusations right, their cause becomes more legitimate and violence like this becomes more likely.
    I'm sure racists made similar claims after hanging a mixed-race couple

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