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    Re: 8 killed in protest at UN office in Northern Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Good thing all the dumbasses are Muslim and not Christian Americans running around the U.S. acting like ignorant fools burning books.
    I'm glad we can agree on something.

    Exit question: Why did al-Qaeda intensify its attacks on the U.S. after the U.S. wouldn't leave the Persian Gulf?
    Ummm, because Islamic terrorists are all twisted bastards that need to be erradicated from the world's population?
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    Re: 8 killed in protest at UN office in Northern Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    Actually he is quite correct. Though, at the same, those people do need to calm down.
    In that case, you agree with my contention that while Muslims condemn terrorism, they support the motivations of the terrorists. Yes?

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    Re: 8 killed in protest at UN office in Northern Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    and what about the morons who legitimize their actions and are quick to hold anybody but the actual perps responsible for them?
    I've never met any of those people. I usually try to hang around people who are willing to examine all the causes of a situation, not simply the ones that completely absolve them of any responsibility and negative feelings.

    Wouldn't it be cool if everybody took responsibility for their actions? What if morons who burn books knowing it intensifies the anger of those who have already attacked us took responsibility for their actions AND morons who killed people just for burning a book took responsibility for theirs?

    No. No we can't do that. To the book burning patriots, it's all Islam. To the Islamic fanatics, it's all America. It could never be both.

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    Re: 8 killed in protest at UN office in Northern Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I've never met any of those people. I usually try to hang around people who are willing to examine all the causes of a situation, not simply the ones that completely absolve them of any responsibility and negative feelings.

    Wouldn't it be cool if everybody took responsibility for their actions? What if morons who burn books knowing it intensifies the anger of those who have already attacked us took responsibility for their actions AND morons who killed people just for burning a book took responsibility for theirs?

    No. No we can't do that. To the book burning patriots, it's all Islam. To the Islamic fanatics, it's all America. It could never be both.
    Does that mean you oppose burning the American Flag?

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    Re: 8 killed in protest at UN office in Northern Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Does that mean you oppose burning the American Flag?
    I don't think burning the Koran or burning the flag should be illegal if that's what you mean - but I do think that doing both is stupid and burning the Koran is even more stupid considering that it gives anti-American terrorist organizations more fuel for their arguments/recruitment.

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    Re: 8 killed in protest at UN office in Northern Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I don't think burning the Koran or burning the flag should be illegal if that's what you mean - but I do think that doing both is stupid and burning the Koran is even more stupid considering that it gives anti-American terrorist organizations more fuel for their arguments/recruitment.
    Must be a problem with Islam, itself, more than anything else. Yes?

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    Re: 8 killed in protest at UN office in Northern Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Must be a problem with Islam, itself, more than anything else. Yes?
    Must be a problem with terrorists/radical Muslims, more than anything else. Yes?

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    Re: 8 killed in protest at UN office in Northern Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I don't think burning the Koran or burning the flag should be illegal if that's what you mean - but I do think that doing both is stupid and burning the Koran is even more stupid considering that it gives anti-American terrorist organizations more fuel for their arguments/recruitment.
    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Must be a problem with Islam, itself, more than anything else. Yes?
    Not sure how you made that logical leap.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: 8 killed in protest at UN office in Northern Afghanistan

    This was the first thought that entered my mind when I heard about this:

    (One theory) that some UN officials considered plausible, was that Taliban infiltrated the demonstration and used it as a cover for a bold assault on a symbol of the foreign presence in Afghanistan.

    Koran-burning sparks deadly retribution - The Globe and Mail
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    Re: 8 killed in protest at UN office in Northern Afghanistan

    Why are we still in A-stan?

    A-stan has always had war lords. After the fall of the Soviet backed government, Saudi Arabia, Iran and Pakistan all backed rival warlords. The Taliban started in Kandahar, rescuing a couple of young girls who had been kidnapped by a local governor and raped repeatedly. They hung the governor from a tank barrel. Then a couple of militia commanders were fighting to see who got to rape some kid and they rescued the boy.

    All in 1994. They gained power from there.

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