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    Re: 8 killed in protest at UN office in Northern Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I think many of them are pissed at the United States in general...with good reason. As far as defending Obama - if you mean in terms of being in Afghanistan, then I don't really support him or not - he came into office with a war and he's working to end it - it is what it is.
    And, what would that reason be?

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    Re: 8 killed in protest at UN office in Northern Afghanistan

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    And, what would that reason be?
    We're on their land and have probably killed many of their friends and family members - militants and civilians, adults and children.

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    Re: 8 killed in protest at UN office in Northern Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    We're on their land and have probably killed many of their friends and family members - militants and civilians, adults and children.
    They attacked us. They didn't do anything to stop al Qaeda, nor the Taliban. They brought it upon themselves.

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    Re: 8 killed in protest at UN office in Northern Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    They attacked us. They didn't do anything to stop al Qaeda, nor the Taliban. They brought it upon themselves.
    "They" didn't attack us. Civilians didn't attack us. Children didn't attack us. Al-Qaeda attacked us. Civilians have a right to be angry if their friends and family have been killed by our government. I say this even as I supported our entry into Afghanistan. Our right to go after those who attacked us is no better than the right of those who didn't to be angry that they and their family members have suffered or died at the hands our military.

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    Re: 8 killed in protest at UN office in Northern Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    "They" didn't attack us. Civilians didn't attack us. Children didn't attack us. Al-Qaeda attacked us. Civilians have a right to be angry if their friends and family have been killed by our government. I say this even as I supported our entry into Afghanistan. Our right to go after those who attacked us is no better than the right of those who didn't to be angry that they and their family members have suffered or died at the hands our military.
    The people of Afghanistan allowed a situation to exist, where we were attacked by terrorists that were given sanctuary and support for the controlling regime in Afghanistan. No regime exists except through the will of the people. If the Afghans don't want us there, they need to step up and kill all the terrorists. If they don't do that, then we'll have to and they don't have any reason to be complaining.

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    Re: 8 killed in protest at UN office in Northern Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The people of Afghanistan allowed a situation to exist, where we were attacked by terrorists that were given sanctuary and support for the controlling regime in Afghanistan. No regime exists except through the will of the people. If the Afghans don't want us there, they need to step up and kill all the terrorists. If they don't do that, then we'll have to and they don't have any reason to be complaining.
    You're giving the "people" of Afghanistan a little too much credit...

    And I don't care what you say, when stuff like this happens:

    Nine boys collecting firewood to heat their homes in the eastern Afghanistan mountains were killed by NATO helicopter gunners who mistook them for insurgents, according to a statement on Wednesday by NATO, which apologized for the mistake.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/03/wo.../03afghan.html

    they have a right to be angry with any foreign governments in their midst. You seem to forget the humanity of people when you speak about them.

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    Re: 8 killed in protest at UN office in Northern Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    You're giving the "people" of Afghanistan a little too much credit...
    I don't think I am. They don't seem to lack the ability to protest our presence in their country. Perhaps they should have focused that energy towards killing the anti-American terrorists that caused us to have to invade the country.

    And I don't care what you say, when stuff like this happens:

    Nine boys collecting firewood to heat their homes in the eastern Afghanistan mountains were killed by NATO helicopter gunners who mistook them for insurgents, according to a statement on Wednesday by NATO, which apologized for the mistake.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/03/wo.../03afghan.html

    they have a right to be angry with any foreign governments in their midst. You seem to forget the humanity of people when you speak about them.[/QUOTE]

    If we hadn't been attacked on 9/11, we wouldn't be there. Would we? al Qaeda and the Taliban did this to them, not the U.S.

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    Re: 8 killed in protest at UN office in Northern Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I don't think I am. They don't seem to lack the ability to protest our presence in their country. Perhaps they should have focused that energy towards killing the anti-American terrorists that caused us to have to invade the country.

    And I don't care what you say, when stuff like this happens:




    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/03/wo.../03afghan.html

    they have a right to be angry with any foreign governments in their midst. You seem to forget the humanity of people when you speak about them.
    If we hadn't been attacked on 9/11, we wouldn't be there. Would we? al Qaeda and the Taliban did this to them, not the U.S.[/QUOTE]

    I'm troubled by your inability to recognize that the U.S. shares some responsibility not only in the harm it has caused in Afghanistan, but also in 9/11. The United States is not, as you frame it, an innocent power who is simply the victim of evil power. We have certainly had a role in creating our current circumstances.

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    Re: 8 killed in protest at UN office in Northern Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    That's your choice, but don't expect me to come to your defense if you get shot in the face for provoking a murderer.
    You know all murderers without exception are provoked. So are the rapists when they say that the skirt was too short. Murderers can be provoked by the very fact that a would be victim is better off or too clever or lives in a better country. Most criminals insist on being provoked in one way or another. There is always a pretext for them. I would come to your defense if you were attacked even though I am not a liberal but you are.

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    Re: 8 killed in protest at UN office in Northern Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by grig View Post
    You know all murderers without exception are provoked. So are the rapists when they say that the skirt was too short. Murderers can be provoked by the very fact that a would be victim is better off or too clever or lives in a better country. Most criminals insist on being provoked in one way or another. There is always a pretext for them. I would come to your defense if you were attacked even though I am not a liberal but you are.
    Not provoking a murderer - walking around and then murderer attacks you.
    Provoking a murderer - doing something he tells you not to do and then he attacks you.

    If you do the latter, good luck.

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