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    Re: Obama Official: GOP Budget Would Kill 70,000 Kids

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    WASHINGTON— A new health regulation issued this month offers elderly Medicare health insurance recipients voluntary end-of-life planning – the practice that former vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin likened to “death panels” during the debate over Obamacare. Democrats had dropped it from the monumental healthcare overhaul, according to Fox News, but the Obama administration has written it back in.

    The provision allows Medicare to pay for voluntary counseling to help beneficiaries deal with the complex and painful decisions families face when a loved one is approaching death. The "voluntary advance care planning" is included in a Medicare regulation issued Dec. 3 that covers annual checkups, known as wellness visits. It goes into effect Jan. 1.

    New Obama Rule Returns 'Death Panels' to Law

    If you want to know what Palin actually said you can read her statement and follow along with the media deliberately lying about it.

    Unfortunately, Politifact’s distortion of Palin’s statement went largely unchecked by other watchdogs. Even Annenberg FactCheck, which usually does a better job, dropped the ball. They reference Palin’s original Facebook clarification, but completely leave out the paragraph where she explains her broader meaning. Wouldn’t this be germane in an article about the meaning of the phrase? (Annenberg also leaves out any mention of her clarification in the Hong Kong speech.)

    Palin and many other conservatives made clear at the time that “death panels” was not a criticism of a specific provision in the bill. From the moment she wrote it, “death panels” was a catch all phrase designed to highlight the real danger of putting government in charge of deciding what can be spent on health care. It was the left from the Post to the President which (accidentally or not) conflated this with claims about specific provisions in the bill. Their motive in doing so, i.e. being able to call Palin a liar, is understandable. They are, after all, partisans who wanted to see the bill pass. But one wonders why supposedly independent news organizations like the AP continue to echo this demonstrably false claim right up to today.


    The Press Continues to Lie About Palin’s ‘Death Panels’ Comment - Big Journalism


    I hope you have something more.

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    Re: Obama Official: GOP Budget Would Kill 70,000 Kids

    It's about the chillllllldren!!!!!! It's about the oooooold people!!!!! It's about sacrificing helpless puppies!!!!!

    If our government can't get their freakin' act together and stop spending $$$$!!!! we are going to tax and spend ourselves into oblivion.

    545 people, folks. We'd better start putting the blame where it belongs. This isn't Democrat/Republican. This is every last one of them. The 545 People Responsible For All of America's Woes (You've prolly all read this, but never hurts to read it again.)
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    Re: Obama Official: GOP Budget Would Kill 70,000 Kids

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    It's about the chillllllldren!!!!!! It's about the oooooold people!!!!! It's about sacrificing helpless puppies!!!!!

    If our government can't get their freakin' act together and stop spending $$$$!!!! we are going to tax and spend ourselves into oblivion.

    545 people, folks. We'd better start putting the blame where it belongs. This isn't Democrat/Republican. This is every last one of them. The 545 People Responsible For All of America's Woes (You've prolly all read this, but never hurts to read it again.)
    It's more than that. It's all of us as well. We eat up the frearmongering and really don't ask our elected officials to work together to solve problems. Instead, we divide up idealogically, allow our side to fear monger, anything that will push our idealology, and we get the government we deserve.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama Official: GOP Budget Would Kill 70,000 Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It's more than that. It's all of us as well. We eat up the frearmongering and really don't ask our elected officials to work together to solve problems. Instead, we divide up idealogically, allow our side to fear monger, anything that will push our idealology, and we get the government we deserve.
    While I somewhat agree with you, I believe that the American people really don't have the power to effect change. Without an out-and-out rebellion. Incumbants get re-elected. Fact. The noisiest special interest groups rule the roost.

    What we deserve are politicians who are honest and well-meaning...who put the good of their country before their own self-interests. What we get are self-serving miscreants.
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    Re: Obama Official: GOP Budget Would Kill 70,000 Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    One is from the administration, one is a political pundit, one is a UK(LOL) newspaper, the rest are blogs. Do you realize how desperate that makes you sound?
    <sigh> they are ALL democrats... accusing the GOP of fear mongering. I need MSNBC to accuse them for you to accept it happened?

    That's sad.

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    Re: Obama Official: GOP Budget Would Kill 70,000 Kids

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    I hope you have something more.
    You mean besides "Democrats had dropped it from the monumental healthcare overhaul, according to Fox News, but the Obama administration has written it back in."
    The national security of the United States can never be left in the hands of liberals.

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    Re: Obama Official: GOP Budget Would Kill 70,000 Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It's more than that. It's all of us as well. We eat up the frearmongering and really don't ask our elected officials to work together to solve problems. Instead, we divide up idealogically, allow our side to fear monger, anything that will push our idealology, and we get the government we deserve.
    Keep going. And since that's been done since the beginning of recorded history (politicians playing games for power), you have to admit it's normal, and will endure. Both parties, all parties, in all of human history. What is this thinking we fool ourselves with that "this year will be the year for fundamental change in politics!!" It's sad, people have said that in every age. It's a joke. I fell for it to, I'm an optimist. But I'm a lot less naive now.

    It's a fact that you cannot change the nature of politics. They promise it, and each generation we get suckered. Libertarians propose the only solution I know of that takes this into account. Assume politics, as evidenced in all of human history, will stay the same. Limit their power so when they do their crazy games....it doesn't hurt us that much and is tolerable.

    Right now we're talking $1.4T in defecit spending. $14T in debt. And repubs and dems are "divded" about $50B. Heal their divide, but it's still just $50B, not even a dent in the spending or debt. It's a red herring, built on top of a joke. To balance it my taxes at say 30% would need to go to 50%. 50% of my lifes work is handed to government? In what world does this make any sort of sense?!?

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    Re: Obama Official: GOP Budget Would Kill 70,000 Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    If you do not see the republicans doing the same thing, you're willingly suspending disbelief.
    The Republican party is (supposedly) based on self-reliance, less government, a strong military, core family values, and less tax burden. Granted, it's forgotten by some Republicans far too often.

    However, the Democrat party is built solely on sticking it to the man, using race and class warfare tactics to drum up support. There is no cohesive platform beyond that.

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    Re: Obama Official: GOP Budget Would Kill 70,000 Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    What we deserve are politicians who are honest and well-meaning...who put the good of their country before their own self-interests. What we get are self-serving miscreants.
    It's a sad truth about our Democratic system. As I have said before, it separates the willing from the able, and goes with the willing.
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    Re: Obama Official: GOP Budget Would Kill 70,000 Kids

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    The Republican party is (supposedly) based on self-reliance, less government, a strong military, core family values, and less tax burden. Granted, it's forgotten by some Republicans far too often.

    However, the Democrat party is built solely on sticking it to the man, using race and class warfare tactics to drum up support. There is no cohesive platform beyond that.
    I would add that Dems only solution to our current fiscal problems is throw more money at it.
    The national security of the United States can never be left in the hands of liberals.

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