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    Lawsuit seeks dissolution of Dunwoody, Sandy Springs, Johns Creek, Milton, Chattahooc

    The Georgia Legislative Black Caucus filed a lawsuit Monday against the state of Georgia seeking to dissolve the city charters of Dunwoody, Sandy Springs, Johns Creek, Milton and Chattahoochee Hills. Further, the lawmakers, joined by civil rights leader the Rev. Joseph Lowery, aim to dash any hopes of a Milton County.

    The lawsuit, filed in a North Georgia U.S. District Court Monday, claims that the state circumvented the normal legislative process and set aside its own criteria when creating the “super-majority white ” cities within Fulton and DeKalb counties. The result, it argues, is to dilute minority votes in those areas, violating the Voting Rights Act of 1965 and the Fourteenth and Fifteenth Amendments to the Constitution.

    “This suit is based on the idea that African Americans and other minorities can elect the people of their choice,” said Democratic State Sen. Vincent Fort.
    Lawsuit seeks dissolution of Dunwoody, Sandy Springs, Johns Creek, Milton, Chattahoochee Hills *| ajc.com
    Analysis/dissection of this could go in so many directions it's not even funny.

    "Joined by civil rights leader" Lowry who said in his speech at the Obama inauguration "When white will embrace what is right". Sounds like a kinder, gentler Farrakhan and Wright.

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    Re: Lawsuit seeks dissolution of Dunwoody, Sandy Springs, Johns Creek, Milton, Chatta

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Analysis/dissection of this could go in so many directions it's not even funny.

    "Joined by civil rights leader" Lowry who said in his speech at the Obama inauguration "When white will embrace what is right". Sounds like a kinder, gentler Farrakhan and Wright.

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    Yeah Atlanta politics are very racial, unfortunately.

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    Re: Lawsuit seeks dissolution of Dunwoody, Sandy Springs, Johns Creek, Milton, Chatta

    Oh, look, it's fun with the Gerrymander!
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    Re: Lawsuit seeks dissolution of Dunwoody, Sandy Springs, Johns Creek, Milton, Chatta

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    Oh, look, it's fun with the Gerrymander!
    But what did those same Black leaders say when the Georgia Dems created one of the most gerrymandered maps in modern history in 2001? Laughable. The dream of resurrecting Milton County has been popular in north Fulton for many years now. How close is it to reality? I don't know as I have not lived there in nearly a decade. I love, however, how these Black activists demand for Blacks to be represented and have the vote, but not Whites? Blacks are a majority in the city of Atlanta, aren't they? And in much of DeKalb County? OK, fine... So, it isn't all right for there to be White majority cities? After all, last I checked, the state of Georgia was still majority white.
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    Re: Lawsuit seeks dissolution of Dunwoody, Sandy Springs, Johns Creek, Milton, Chatta

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Yeah Atlanta politics are very racial, unfortunately.
    You can add corrupt and incompetent to that list as well.

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    Re: Lawsuit seeks dissolution of Dunwoody, Sandy Springs, Johns Creek, Milton, Chatta

    Ok, let me see if I get this right, please correct me if I am wrong.

    There were some various cities which were what...declared cities? And in these cities the majority of people happen to be white and the minority is black...right? And some how by declaring these cities....cities this some how affects voting? And that this was all done on purpose? How do these cities affect districting? Last I knew districts are set up via the census...not on whether there is a city in a particular area or not. Also, don't cities, towns etc get thier designation based on how many people live in that "city"? Not on any race based factors?

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    Re: Lawsuit seeks dissolution of Dunwoody, Sandy Springs, Johns Creek, Milton, Chatta

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Ok, let me see if I get this right, please correct me if I am wrong.

    There were some various cities which were what...declared cities? And in these cities the majority of people happen to be white and the minority is black...right? And some how by declaring these cities....cities this some how affects voting? And that this was all done on purpose? How do these cities affect districting? Last I knew districts are set up via the census...not on whether there is a city in a particular area or not. Also, don't cities, towns etc get thier designation based on how many people live in that "city"? Not on any race based factors?

    What am I missing here?
    I don't think it has anything to do with actual redistricting. They borrowed the term and are talking about "racial redistricting." This is basically a "white flight" issue -- as with a lot of other big cities, Atlanta went through a long period of suburbanization such that now much of the city is predominantly black, whereas most whites live in the suburbs north of the city.

    The Fulton county commision, largely composed of black democrats, apportions funding to unincorporated areas of the county. Before these cities were created, people had complained for years that the tax dollars they sent to the county weren't being used for services in the northern part of the county (bad roads, limited police protection, no sidewalks to speak of, etc.). Sandy Springs -- under threat of annexation by the city of Atlanta -- was the first to incorporate, followed by the other cities. It wasn't an automatic decision - many residents were concerned that all of these "mini governments" might end up costing more in taxes, but I think most thought "at least they'll go to my community."

    I think the push to create this new county is to consolidate some of these communities into a more efficient structure -- but it will of course also wrest much of the more affluent white section from the rest of Fulton County. (The most affluent portion has already been annexed.)

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    Re: Lawsuit seeks dissolution of Dunwoody, Sandy Springs, Johns Creek, Milton, Chatta

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    I don't think it has anything to do with actual redistricting. They borrowed the term and are talking about "racial redistricting." This is basically a "white flight" issue -- as with a lot of other big cities, Atlanta went through a long period of suburbanization such that now much of the city is predominantly black, whereas most whites live in the suburbs north of the city.

    The Fulton county commision, largely composed of black democrats, apportions funding to unincorporated areas of the county. Before these cities were created, people had complained for years that the tax dollars they sent to the county weren't being used for services in the northern part of the county (bad roads, limited police protection, no sidewalks to speak of, etc.). Sandy Springs -- under threat of annexation by the city of Atlanta -- was the first to incorporate, followed by the other cities. It wasn't an automatic decision - many residents were concerned that all of these "mini governments" might end up costing more in taxes, but I think most thought "at least they'll go to my community."

    I think the push to create this new county is to consolidate some of these communities into a more efficient structure -- but it will of course also wrest much of the more affluent white section from the rest of Fulton County. (The most affluent portion has already been annexed.)
    Perhaps you can tell me... when I lived in the area, Roswell and Alpharetta were gobbling up large parts of unincorporated north Fulton. In fact, the area I lived in in Roswell was just recently been taken in my the city at the time but the high school I taught at was in unincorporated Fulton with an Alpharetta address. Have most of those areas since been annexed by those two cities?

    Also, to answer another poster, the status of city in Georgia has nothing to do with population at all. There are (were) unincorporated areas of Metro Atlanta with far more people than incorporated cities in rural central and south Georgia...
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    Re: Lawsuit seeks dissolution of Dunwoody, Sandy Springs, Johns Creek, Milton, Chatta

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Perhaps you can tell me... when I lived in the area, Roswell and Alpharetta were gobbling up large parts of unincorporated north Fulton. In fact, the area I lived in in Roswell was just recently been taken in my the city at the time but the high school I taught at was in unincorporated Fulton with an Alpharetta address. Have most of those areas since been annexed by those two cities?
    Everything in North Fulton either became one of the new cities, or was annexed by Roswell or Alpharetta. The South Fulton community is the only unincorporated area that still exists as far as I know. They rejected a similar bid for independent cityhood.

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