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    At least 40 civilians dead in Tripoli strikes: Vatican official

    At least 40 civilians dead in Tripoli strikes: Vatican official

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    ROME (Reuters) - At least 40 civilians have been killed in air strikes by Western forces on Tripoli, the top Vatican official in the Libyan capital told a Catholic news agency on Thursday, quoting witnesses.

    "The so-called humanitarian raids have killed dozens of civilian victims in some neighborhoods of Tripoli," said Giovanni Innocenzo Martinelli, the Apostolic Vicar of Tripoli.

    "I have collected several witness accounts from reliable people. In particular, in the Buslim neighborhood, due to the bombardments, a civilian building collapsed, causing the death of 40 people," he told Fides, the news agency of the Vatican missionary arm.

    Libyan officials have taken foreign reporters to the sites of what they say were the aftermath of Western air strikes on Tripoli but evidence of civilian casualties has been inconclusive.


    This is a stark reality of war and what happens when you drop bombs on people. That said, it's not who posts in this thread that will be revealing but who doesn't...
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    Re: At least 40 civilians dead in Tripoli strikes: Vatican official

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    This is a stark reality of war and what happens when you drop bombs on people. That said, it's not who posts in this thread that will be revealing but who doesn't...
    Fair enough...

    I just wanna say this...

    Certain cultures are not compatible with democratic forms of government. When they appear to have them, it is merely a sham. They only operate with a strong man in charge. Frankly, its better without the illusions. In so far as we have any dealings in the ME, it should be to support any strong man who is nominally on our side. I really don't give 2 ****s how many of his own people he kills as long as they don't kill Americans and do something about killing those who do.

    Feel good bull**** about democratic governments in Egypt, Iraq, Iran, Jordan, Syria, Libya, etc are just that. Feel good bull****.

    If Saddam hadn't made himself an enemy, I'd have been fine to leave him in control of Iraq. But I'm a firm believer in the principal that if you make yourself our enemy, your time on earth should be short and end in pain.

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    Re: At least 40 civilians dead in Tripoli strikes: Vatican official

    Yep, nobody saw this coming...
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: At least 40 civilians dead in Tripoli strikes: Vatican official

    1) The Vatican is not a reliable source. They have covered up one too many molestation scandals for me to continue trusting them.
    2) The evidence is based on second hand sources who may not be reliable. It wouldn't exactly be hard for Qadaffi to get people to make fake claims to foreign media to get sympathy.
    3) Even though it lacks credible evidence at this time, it is possible that the report is true. Collateral damage is rarely avoidable in war and even our low level of intervention has its costs. Ultimately it comes down the Libyan's themselves and if they consider the sacrifices worth it.

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