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Union threatens boycott of any business that doesn't show support

digsbe said:
I'm shocked at how far these people are going. They are trying to recall the gov, throwing temper tantrums, and now wanting to boycott businesses that don't show support. The entitlement mindset is extremely damaging and this is a prime example. This reminds me of taking toys away from a spoiled child and watching them react in an illogical and rage filled way. They need to see the reality of their state's budget and mature a bit (well, a lot) and realize that they are earning unmerited money and essentially stealing from taxpayers through their overpowered union.
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I agree it's shocking. These people are deadly serious. They've had a free hand for many years and they've built quite a cozy niche for themselves. They thought they owned the Democrat party and they're shocked they've been outbid by big money interests. Of course they're throwing tantrums. I think it's good that the insideous nature of their control over state budgets has come to light and I think it will make it possible for their position to be weakened. But they won't back down easily obviously. Looks like May will be a red hot month.
 
shintao said:
That is the way things are done in a capitalist system. Why should they support businesses who are against them? I can see how bent-over sheeple might see this as "brutish" behavior. Oh the shame!!!

Grab your ankles lads!! You have forgot about all the people & businesses you boycotted. ie. Fonda, French, etc.
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I wouldn't argue with the fact that they can boycott these businesses and that it can be an effective tool; At least in the short term. But these public union employees are biting the hand that feeds them. It is just dumb boorish behavior. Do you really think they can bully all the businesses in the state that won't support them? Do you not see the harm it is doing to their cause? Be capitalistic but don't be stupid.

If there is anything that has been proven about modern day unions is that they are very short sighted. The mindset for many of them is to negotiate for the most you can get now. It is a mob mentality. The future be damned. Union leaders convince everyone that the employers are always holding out on them. But wait, this is a public union basically working for a non-profit entity. So we know how much money the employer has because it came out of our pockets. We see states with huge deficits everywhere. Then we look at the public employees and see their vacation plans, holidays, high salaries, pensions, expensive healthcare plans and say WTF! Its one thing to work for a company who makes a widget and gets people to want to buy their widget and use the profits to benefit them but it is an entirely different matter to have to tax people for your prosperity. The union is negotiating with the people of Wisconsin now. How do you think they look with this latest maneuver? Who do you think people are going vote for next time around? The cowardly Senators who abandoned their duties and left the state or the ones trying to break up the union?
 
So, when conservatives boycotted Disney, where they "dirtbags"? When conservative groups refused to buy GM cars, where they "scum"? When some conservative organizations boycotted CPAC, where they "jackals"?
 
Redress said:
So, when conservatives boycotted Disney, where they "dirtbags"? When conservative groups refused to buy GM cars, where they "scum"? When some conservative organizations boycotted CPAC, where they "jackals"?
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I don't recall any conservative going to peoples houses headed to disney and threatening them if they go... but nice try.


yes these union thugs are scum. If I don't want to show support in the matter you ask you are going to threaten me? **** you, union jackals....
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
I don't recall any conservative going to peoples houses headed to disney and threatening them if they go... but nice try.


yes these union thugs are scum. If I don't want to show support in the matter you ask you are going to threaten me? **** you, union jackals....
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Yes, they simply publicly condemn in the media and try and put them out of business. That is so much better. I figured this would be the reaction...they are scum, unless it's us doing it, then it is proper.
 
Redress said:
Yes, they simply publicly condemn in the media and try and put them out of business. That is so much better. I figured this would be the reaction...they are scum, unless it's us doing it, then it is proper.
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Building strawmen? Where did I say it was "proper" please quote me...

I think if you search ALL of my posts on all the forums I have been on, you learn that I really don't think any boycotts work or are worth the time and effort. I have no idea about this disney strawman you built but I think Disney is far less intimidated than joe's ace hardware store by the actions of the boycotters...

Here in this case, these union thugs are saying "put this sign up or we will boycott you"... Really? You have no issue with this thug like activity? :roll:
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Building strawmen? Where did I say it was "proper" please quote me...

I think if you search ALL of my posts on all the forums I have been on, you learn that I really don't think any boycotts work or are worth the time and effort. I have no idea about this disney strawman you built but I think Disney is far less intimidated than joe's ace hardware store by the actions of the boycotters...

Here in this case, these union thugs are saying "put this sign up or we will boycott you"... Really? You have no issue with this thug like activity? :roll:
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And you are doing it again without even realizing it. Making excuses why this one is different and worthy of condemning, since it is being done by some one you disagree with.
 
Redress said:
And you are doing it again without even realizing it. Making excuses why this one is different and worthy of condemning, since it is being done by some one you disagree with.
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i am doing no such thing. I am unfamiliar with the disney boycot, and your red herring is of no consequence here. Why won't you answer the question?



"Here in this case, these union thugs are saying "put this sign up or we will boycott you"... Really? You have no issue with this thug like activity?"


Do you support these tactics?
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
i am doing no such thing. I am unfamiliar with the disney boycot, and your red herring is of no consequence here. Why won't you answer the question?



"Here in this case, these union thugs are saying "put this sign up or we will boycott you"... Really? You have no issue with this thug like activity?"


Do you support these tactics?
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I have never had any problem whatsoever with boycotts. They are an american tradition. I don't have to base my attitudes towards something based on who is doing it. There are no red herrings here. I asked a legitimate question. Are boycotts acceptable or not Rev, or does it depend on who is threatening them? It's funny how you are avoiding that.
 
Not all boycotts and issues are equal. These union members are boycotting businesses that don't outright support their cause. They are literally trying to oust their governor over one issue, and they are doing it because their precious unmerited pensions and benefits are at stake due to Wisconsin's budget crisis. They are trying to bully their way into victory.
 
Redress said:
I have never had any problem whatsoever with boycotts. They are an american tradition. I don't have to base my attitudes towards something based on who is doing it. There are no red herrings here. I asked a legitimate question. Are boycotts acceptable or not Rev, or does it depend on who is threatening them? It's funny how you are avoiding that.
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"Here in this case, these union thugs are saying "put this sign up or we will boycott you"... Really? You have no issue with this thug like activity?"


Do you support these tactics?


yes or no please
 
digsbe said:
Not all boycotts and issues are equal. These union members are boycotting businesses that don't outright support their cause. They are literally trying to oust their governor over one issue, and they are doing it because their precious unmerited pensions and benefits are at stake due to Wisconsin's budget crisis. They are trying to bully their way into victory.
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Not only that they are thugging it up by telling businesses either support us or be boycotted..... **** them.
 
digsbe said:
Not all boycotts and issues are equal. These union members are boycotting businesses that don't outright support their cause. They are literally trying to oust their governor over one issue, and they are doing it because their precious unmerited pensions and benefits are at stake due to Wisconsin's budget crisis. They are trying to bully their way into victory.
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So how is this different than say, Focus on the Family organizing a boycott of Proctor and Gamble, trying to force them not to hire gay people? That is what a boycott is, trying to force businesses to do what you want.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
"Here in this case, these union thugs are saying "put this sign up or we will boycott you"... Really? You have no issue with this thug like activity?"


Do you support these tactics?


yes or no please
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That is not thug activity, that is what a boycott is. "Do what we want or we will not buy your product." And you again avoid the issue: are boycotts acceptable? You have succeeded in defining a boycott, but not explaining why this is any different than any other boycott.
 
Redress said:
So how is this different than say, Focus on the Family organizing a boycott of Proctor and Gamble, trying to force them not to hire gay people? That is what a boycott is, trying to force businesses to do what you want.
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Oh so it goes from "conservatives" to "focus on the family" a southern baptist organization.... /facepalm
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Oh so it goes from "conservatives" to "focus on the family" a southern baptist organization.... /facepalm
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Or Tea Party groups saying that if the accepted a federal bailout, they would boycott GM? See how you avoid and evade.
 
digsbe said:
Not all boycotts and issues are equal. These union members are boycotting businesses that don't outright support their cause. They are literally trying to oust their governor over one issue, and they are doing it because their precious unmerited pensions and benefits are at stake due to Wisconsin's budget crisis. They are trying to bully their way into victory.
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Bully: A person who is habitually cruel or overbearing, especially to smaller or weaker people. (The Free Dictionary)

Boycotting someone who does not support one's interests is not a "habitually cruel or overbearing" action. And small businesses are not "small and weak" relative to their political power -since they can 1. Donate money to Walker. 2. Vote.

If businesses, small or large, are working against your interests, then you shouldn't go there - the businesses who don't show support for collective bargaining are the businesses who don't need support from union members.
 
Redress said:
That is not thug activity, that is what a boycott is. "Do what we want or we will not buy your product." And you again avoid the issue: are boycotts acceptable? You have succeeded in defining a boycott, but not explaining why this is any different than any other boycott.
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thanks for answering... it says a lot...




There is a difference between "I don't like what you are doing so we're going to boycott you" and "you support us or we boycott you.... And I don't care who's doing it... The LP itself can come into my shop for example and tell me either hang up an LP banner or they will boycott me, and I'd tell those thugs the same thing I say about these union thugs...

Go **** yourselves.....


now if a union stated on thier website they are boycotting me because I refuse to hire union, and am a non union shop, I don't care and there is nothing wrong with it.



I would be shocked if you don't see the difference. :shrug:
 
Redress said:
So how is this different than say, Focus on the Family organizing a boycott of Proctor and Gamble, trying to force them not to hire gay people? That is what a boycott is, trying to force businesses to do what you want.
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The difference is that was over an issue. Focus on the Family was not going to every business and telling them "either support us or we will boycott you." I'm not very informed over the Focus on the Family boycott, however from what you described it is far different from what these unions are doing. They are boycotting businesses that don't support them and are essentially acting like thugs and bullies in order to force or scare all the businesses into supporting them or suffering business loss.

theplaydrive said:
Bully: A person who is habitually cruel or overbearing, especially to smaller or weaker people. (The Free Dictionary)

Boycotting someone who does not support one's interests is not a "habitually cruel or overbearing" action. And small businesses are not "small and weak" relative to their political power -since they can 1. Donate money to Walker. 2. Vote.

If businesses, small or large, are working against your interests, then you shouldn't go there - the businesses who don't show support for collective bargaining are the businesses who don't need support from union members.
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From what I understand though, these union members are boycotting businesses that are neutral and simply not showing support either way for either side. They are trying to gain support by telling these businesses to either support them or suffer business loss due to their boycott. They are essentially being cruel and trying to harass companies into supporting them. These are bully/thug tactics to me.
 
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Redress said:
Or Tea Party groups saying that if the accepted a federal bailout, they would boycott GM? See how you avoid and evade.
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I don't know why you want to make this about me, but read my previous post.


You are wrong again. really, you should try arguing my actual position, not the one you give me.
 
digsbe said:
The difference is that was over an issue. Focus on the Family was not going to every business and telling them "either support us or we will boycott you." I'm not very informed over the Focus on the Family boycott, however from what you described it is far different from what these unions are doing. They are boycotting businesses that don't support them and are essentially acting like thugs and bullies in order to force or scare all the businesses into supporting them or suffering business loss.



From what I understand though, these union members are boycotting businesses that are neutral and simply not showing support either way for either side. They are trying to gain support by telling these businesses to either support them or suffer business loss due to their boycott. They are essentially being cruel and trying to harass companies into supporting them. These are bully/thug tactics to me.
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It's a shake down. A mob style shake down.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
I don't know why you want to make this about me, but read my previous post.


You are wrong again. really, you should try arguing my actual position, not the one you give me.
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I am trying to understand your position. You say that saying "support our issue or we boycott" is not the same thing as saying "We don't like your position on an issue so we am boycotting". The reality is they are exactly the same thing.
 
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