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    Re: President Obama Signs Order Authorizing Covert Operations in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    I kind of assumed this was already going on -- don't we want eyes on the ground "gathering intelligence on targets for airstrikes"? Don't we want to take reasonable measures to ensure we're not bombing aspirin factories or otherwise killing civilians?
    I'll go one further...

    Don't we want to know who the rebels really are? The argument continues to be "we don't know who these people are? Are they Libyan nationals or are they remnants of Al-Quaida mixing in with the fighters? We just don't know." Well, with CIA boots on the ground, we should know rather quickly exactly who we're dealing with among the rebels - friend or foe.

    More to the point: You're either going to believe what "their" media and/or people are telling us OR you're going to believe what OUR operatives feedback what they learn from their intelligence gathering.
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    Re: President Obama Signs Order Authorizing Covert Operations in Libya

    Libya certainly looks to be unraveling at the moment.
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    Re: President Obama Signs Order Authorizing Covert Operations in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    today: nato threatens to bomb the rebels


    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/01/wo..._r=3&src=twrhp
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    Re: President Obama Signs Order Authorizing Covert Operations in Libya

    I'm more pissed that this got leaked while operations are presumable still going on.
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    Re: President Obama Signs Order Authorizing Covert Operations in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Then why aren't we occupying half the world? what about Darfur, North Korea, numerous Middle Eastern countries, and many South East Asian countries? We can't liberal the entire world, and certain conflicts we should not meddle in. We can't just start a war, oust an oppressive leader, and assume that peace and freedom will follow.
    No ****. We are not idealistic liberators. It would be one thing if there were the case. Stupid and still wrong, as well as arrogant, but something different. Instead, we pick and choose and too often don't really make things better.

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    Re: President Obama Signs Order Authorizing Covert Operations in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    In some cases it's worth the risk.

    North Korea is one of those.
    What made it worth the risk? Just asking to see your opinion. . . .

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    Re: President Obama Signs Order Authorizing Covert Operations in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Then why aren't we occupying half the world? what about Darfur, North Korea, numerous Middle Eastern countries, and many South East Asian countries? We can't liberal the entire world, and certain conflicts we should not meddle in. We can't just start a war, oust an oppressive leader, and assume that peace and freedom will follow.
    Alittle clarity goes a LONG way.

    WE didn't start the uprisings throughout the Middle-East and North Africa. Their people did this. They finally got tired of being oppressed and did EXACTLY what those on the Conservative side of the political divide have been saying IS an American fundamental right - for a nation's citizens to take up arms against an oppressive government to defend themselves against aggression. Frankly, I wonder how ANYONE can disagree with any nation rendering aid to a nation's countrymen who are doing the EXACT same thing WE, as a nation, wouldn't do for ourselves if our government were treating its citizens in the EXACT SAME OPPRESSIVE MANNER! I mean, this IS a basic tennent of Conservatism! How can a Conservative be against this? IT'S ABSURD to see Conservatives think otherwise because what you're really saying is, "It's okay for Americans, but it's not okay for the rest of the world to exercise this pretective measure against oppression." How hypocritical of you.

    Still, I'll tone it down just a notch and say while I disagree with any U.S. President to unilaterally take his country into war, I have no problem with a U.S. President using his judgement to render aid to a country that is fighting for its freedom against aggression and oppression AS LONG AS he/she can do so in a way that brings about the least amoung of loss of life to Americans and over-use of our resources (military and military hardware). To that, I think President Obama has done the right thing here and he's doing it in a way the puts few of our assets in harms way but is getting the maximum positive gains from it.

    Qadaffi's finances are drying up if not toally frozen.

    Some of his closing government officials are either fighting on the side of the rebels or have defected (2).

    Most of him military resources (planes, tanks, surface-to-air missile launchers, etc) have been destroyed. Libya's military is now forced to fight in the streets among civilian populations to insulate themselves against U.N./NATO offensive attacks. Yes, Qaddafi's forces still have some fight in them, but they haven't been able to gain as much ground as is being reported. Watch Al-Jezzara on Link-TV; it tells a completely different story than what's being reported in U.S. media circles.

    Unless NATO forces make a big blunder, I don't think Qadaffi has much time left.
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    Re: President Obama Signs Order Authorizing Covert Operations in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    I'm more pissed that this got leaked while operations are presumable still going on.
    Yeah, that gets on my *(#@# nerves, too. Wish the media (and some government officials) would learn the Navy motto, "LOOSE LIPS SINK SHIPS!", and learn to keep the #@## damned mouths shut! Not every piece of "news" need be reported.

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    Re: President Obama Signs Order Authorizing Covert Operations in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    today: nato threatens to bomb the rebels



    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/01/wo..._r=3&src=twrhp
    Turns out the rebels are selling the oil for weapons. So much for Qadaffi's plan to nationalize the oil and give most the profits to citizens.

    Libyan opposition sets conditions for cease-fire - USATODAY.com
    BENGHAZI, Libya (AP) — A plan to sell rebel-held oil to buy weapons and other supplies has been reached with Qatar, a rebel official said Friday, in another sign of deepening aid for Libya's opposition by the wealthy Gulf state after sending warplanes to help confront Moammar Gadhafi's forces.

    It was not immediately clear when the possible oil sales could begin or how the arms would reach the rebel factions, but any potential revenue stream would be a significant lifeline for the militias and military defectors battling Gadhafi's superior forces.

    Rebel units were pushed back about 100 miles (160 kilometers) this week along the Mediterranean coast, but still held parts of oil-rich eastern Libya and the key city of Benghazi. In recent clashes, rebels displayed more firepower including mortars and rockets, but remain significantly outgunned.
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    Re: President Obama Signs Order Authorizing Covert Operations in Libya

    Must not be so "secret" if we're chatting about it. Probably more disinformation.

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