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    Re: President Obama Signs Order Authorizing Covert Operations in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Yeah, I'm watching that pretty close myself.

    So far its being claimed that its "spies" basically. Painting targets for accuracy, avoiding collateral damage, etc. That and making contact with rebel elements to see who we're supporting.

    But as Jeremy Scahill stated last night its less than a thousand rebels, so how realistic is it.

    I don't have a problem with preventing a massacre, but I don't like where this is heading. Especially in light of what's going on in Bahrain and Saudi Arabia.

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    Re: President Obama Signs Order Authorizing Covert Operations in Libya

    So special ops meet up with a small faction of people that attack Libyan governments militairy... Hrm.............
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    Re: President Obama Signs Order Authorizing Covert Operations in Libya

    As much as I find Obama worthless I can't really complain because I suggested covert actions early on.

    I would like to see the overall strategy and some kind of comprehensive exit plan.

    I still think A hit team could have saved us hundreds of Millions of Dollars.

    It is very curious that after all the finger pointing, name call, and complaints about President Bush and what he did in the Middle east, here we are and it's basically déjà vu all over again.

    I have made personal note that some Democrats are not thrilled with this action, and others taken by Obama.

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    Re: President Obama Signs Order Authorizing Covert Operations in Libya

    http://abcnews.go.com/International/...259028&amp&amp

    NATO Rules Out Arming Rebels - WSJ.com

    1. the president and his coalition partners are not being STRAIGHT with us concerning their mission

    2. the president and his coalition partners CAN'T be straight with us about their mission cuz THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS

    3. if the president and his coalition partners do NOT arm the rebels, then their HUMANITARIAN mission is doomed because, as things are now, the rebels have NO chance of ousting gadaffi on their own, and if the madman remains he'll KILL the people the president and his partners claim they are there to save

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    Re: President Obama Signs Order Authorizing Covert Operations in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Then why aren't we occupying half the world? what about Darfur, North Korea, numerous Middle Eastern countries, and many South East Asian countries? We can't liberal the entire world, and certain conflicts we should not meddle in. We can't just start a war, oust an oppressive leader, and assume that peace and freedom will follow.
    In some cases it's worth the risk.

    North Korea is one of those.
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    Re: President Obama Signs Order Authorizing Covert Operations in Libya

    in 2 days the rebels have been routed from sirte---not by libyan regulars, but by armed civilians loyal to gadaffi---and pushed back all the way to adjabiya, some 200 miles

    Undisciplined Libyan rebels no match for Gaddafi's forces | World news | The Guardian

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    Re: President Obama Signs Order Authorizing Covert Operations in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    in 2 days the rebels have been routed from sirte---not by libyan regulars, but by armed civilians loyal to gadaffi---and pushed back all the way to adjabiya, some 200 miles

    Undisciplined Libyan rebels no match for Gaddafi's forces | World news | The Guardian
    If this is true .....
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    Re: President Obama Signs Order Authorizing Covert Operations in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    In some cases it's worth the risk.

    North Korea is one of those.
    I agree, however North Korea is different. They are an aggressive nation that possesses nuclear weapons. Invading them would be a defensive action to prevent the aggressive North Korea from attacking our allies: South Korea and Japan. North Korea also has the most oppressive government on earth. Each country and issue is different. But if the goal is to spread freedom and liberate people from oppressive leaders, then why aren't we in half the world right now? Can we really expect that ousting leaders will result in peace and freedom? In many cases a new oppressive government takes advantage of the turmoil and may we worse than the first. The other opinion would be for the US to establish foreign governments, which I do not support as this may be seen as US imperialism or colonization. True freedom and liberation would be allowing the citizens of a country to establish their own government, and sometimes they establish one that is contrary to US values and ideals. We can't liberate and establish governments that are satisfactory to our desires as a nation. I don't think America should liberate every country, and I think each military action is an issue of its own and not equitable with another.
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    Re: President Obama Signs Order Authorizing Covert Operations in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I agree, however North Korea is different. They are an aggressive nation that possesses nuclear weapons. Invading them would be a defensive action to prevent the aggressive North Korea from attacking our allies: South Korea and Japan. North Korea also has the most oppressive government on earth. Each country and issue is different. But if the goal is to spread freedom and liberate people from oppressive leaders, then why aren't we in half the world right now? Can we really expect that ousting leaders will result in peace and freedom? In many cases a new oppressive government takes advantage of the turmoil and may we worse than the first. The other opinion would be for the US to establish foreign governments, which I do not support as this may be seen as US imperialism or colonization. True freedom and liberation would be allowing the citizens of a country to establish their own government, and sometimes they establish one that is contrary to US values and ideals. We can't liberate and establish governments that are satisfactory to our desires as a nation. I don't think America should liberate every country, and I think each military action is an issue of its own and not equitable with another.
    Kimmy is agressive but I don't believe the people are.

    After serving in S. Korea I have to believe the N. Korean's are no different just because someone drew a line through their country.
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    Re: President Obama Signs Order Authorizing Covert Operations in Libya

    and just who are these rebels the president and his coalition partners are DEPENDENT upon to oust gadaffi and then BUILD THEIR NATION once the tyrant is gone?

    The Rebels from Benghazi: Chaos and Uncertainty in Libya's Revolutionary Leadership - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International

    according to der spiegel, they are so disorganized and chaotic they've been accidentally killing each other, ruining tanks they've captured and shooting down their own planes

    if we rely on the rebels, der spiegel suggests, the mission (whatever it exactly is) will drag on for months

    after gadaffi, it's "anyone's guess"

    libya is a "political no man's land"

    "the highest form of political organization are soccer clubs"

    the rebels' leadership appears to be self appointed presidents and prime ministers, self styled press spokespersons and commanders

    mostly former gadaffi aids, lawyers, businessmen and academics

    "most of those now calling the shots are sons of the former regime"

    asked about elections, one of em answered, "we're not concerned with these details"

    essentially, the rebels are comprised of "tribes, criminal gangs, warlords and jihad groups"

    they may soon be "well armed with western weapons"

    meanwhile benghazi, their base, is "descending into mistrust and fear"

    stores are closed, people are afraid to share with neighbors even their phone numbers

    no one dares speak out against either the regime or the rebel movement

    gadaffi's spies inflitrate the rebels' councils, no one goes out at nite

    death squads on both sides---in benghazi

    council leaders no longer seen in public

    the national council is "on the verge of collapse"

    rebels roam the streets at nite, arrest and kill people they believe are regime supporters

    the very picture of paranoia

    sub saharan africans---from chad, mali, the sudan---are arrested (or worse), suspected of being mercenaries, tho many are probably just construction workers

    der spiegel sees parallels "straight from the soviet revolutionaries," but the reality may more resemble paris, 1793

    all that's missing seem to be the tumbrils

    worry

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