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    The President's Speech on Libya

    I didnít watch the Presidentís speech last night I read a copy of the text today. IMO he adequately explained the reasons for intervention.

    This is a link to the text of the President's speech. I don't vouch for the website.
    Text Of President Obama's Speech On The Situation In Libya | TPM LiveWire


    I have some comments to make about the substance of that speech. There was lip service given to his stated policy of removing Gaddafi and there was no mention of the jihadi presence amongst the rebels. The following statements by the President were notable:

    For generations, the United States of America has played a unique role as an anchor of global security and advocate for human freedom.

    That would be news to Candidate 0bama and his pastor of 20 years.

    As one Libyan said, "For the first time we finally have hope that our nightmare of 40 years will soon be over."

    Many Iraqis and Afghans said the same thing.

    Our most effective alliance, NATO, has taken command of the enforcement of the arms embargo and No Fly Zone.

    Why is NATO enforcing UN resolutions? Where the hell is the UN?

    We will safeguard the more than $33 billion that was frozen from the Gaddafi regime so that it is available to rebuild Libya. After all, this money does not belong to Gaddafi or to us - it belongs to the Libyan people, and we will make sure they receive it.

    Well done Mr. President.

    To brush aside America's responsibility as a leader and - more profoundly - our responsibilities to our fellow human beings under such circumstances would have been a betrayal of who we are.

    That would be news to Candidate 0bama and his pastor of 20 years.

    The democratic impulses that are dawning across the region would be eclipsed by the darkest form of dictatorship, as repressive leaders concluded that violence is the best strategy to cling to power. The writ of the UN Security Council would have been shown to be little more than empty words, crippling its future credibility to uphold global peace and security.

    The UN has been irrelevant for some years now. Itís the reason they are now expecting NATO to enforce their own resolutions.

    If we tried to overthrow Gaddafi by force, our coalition would splinter.

    This explains his walking back the ďGaddafi must leaveĒ rhetoric.

    To be blunt, we went down that road in Iraq.

    And to be blunt Mr. President we tried diplomatic pressure and a NFZ in Iraq. It didnít work. He never passes up an opportunity to slander his predecessor.

    In such cases, we should not be afraid to act - but the burden of action should not be America's alone. As we have in Libya, our task is instead to mobilize the international community for collective action. Because contrary to the claims of some, American leadership is not simply a matter of going it alone and bearing all of the burden ourselves.

    You inherited a coalition of nations in both Iraq and Afghanistan Mr. President.
    The national security of the United States can never be left in the hands of liberals.

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    Re: The President's Speech on Libya

    Your analysis contains some valid points, but then you kind of screw it all up by bashing Obama for everything under the sun and even bringing up the pastor issue (which is not only way outdated, but has nothing to do with the topic at hand). Many liberals had the same problem when it came to Bush. When you have legitimate arguments against someone and then mix it in with partisan rhetoric, the legitimate arguments kind of get lost in the noise.

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    Re: The President's Speech on Libya

    President Obama:

    For generations, the United States of America has played a unique role as an anchor of global security and advocate for human freedom.




    President Obama's mentor and spiritual advisor for 20 years:

    "We bombed Grenada and killed innocent civilians, babies, non-military personnel.

    "We bombed the black civilian community of Panama with stealth bombers and killed unarmed teenage and toddlers, pregnant mothers and hard working fathers.

    "We bombed Qaddafi's home, and killed his child. Blessed are they who bash your children's head against the rock.

    "We bombed Iraq. We killed unarmed civilians trying to make a living. We bombed a plant in Sudan to pay back for the attack on our embassy, killed hundreds of hard working people, mothers and fathers who left home to go that day not knowing that they'd never get back home.

    "We bombed Hiroshima. We bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon and we never batted an eye.

    "Kids playing in the playground. Mothers picking up children after school. Civilians, not soldiers, people just trying to make it day by day.

    "We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff that we have done overseas is now brought right back into our own front yards. America's chickens are coming home to roost.

    "Violence begets violence. Hatred begets hatred. And terrorism begets terrorism. A white ambassador said that y'all, not a black militant. Not a reverend who preaches about racism. An ambassador whose eyes are wide open and who is trying to get us to wake up and move away from this dangerous precipice upon which we are now poised. The ambassador said the people we have wounded don't have the military capability we have. But they do have individuals who are willing to die and take thousands with them. And we need to come to grips with that."




    Pretty strange departure from twenty years of spiritual guidance I'd say.

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    Re: The President's Speech on Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    Your analysis contains some valid points, but then you kind of screw it all up by bashing Obama for everything under the sun and even bringing up the pastor issue (which is not only way outdated, but has nothing to do with the topic at hand). Many liberals had the same problem when it came to Bush. When you have legitimate arguments against someone and then mix it in with partisan rhetoric, the legitimate arguments kind of get lost in the noise.
    Bashing 0bama? I'm criticizing his decisions and statements with valid points.

    I'm supporting 0bama in Libya and that has not changed despite this tepid speech.

    And yes, 0bama's past statements and those of his mentors are absolutely relevant today.

    Candidate 0bama would have lots of problems with President 0bama's speech on Libya. So would his pastor. I wonder if Wright will surface soon to give us another kernel of his wisdom about Libya.
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    Re: The President's Speech on Libya

    Meh.

    If he hadn't of done anything...

    He's not a leader, rah rah rah rah rah rah!

    He did do something

    he's not a leader rah rah rah rah rah rah rah!

    Rah rah rah pastors,! Rah rah rha rah rah!

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    Re: The President's Speech on Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    Bashing 0bama? I'm criticizing his decisions and statements with valid points.

    I'm supporting 0bama in Libya and that has not changed despite this tepid speech.

    And yes, 0bama's past statements and those of his mentors are absolutely relevant today.

    Candidate 0bama would have lots of problems with President 0bama's speech on Libya. So would his pastor. I wonder if Wright will surface soon to give us another kernel of his wisdom about Libya.
    Bringing up his pastor on this particular issue is relevant and valid?

    Referring to him as "candidate" is valid? (Also, I didn't realize that the whole voting process of him getting elected was in question...unless you are a birther or something.)

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    Re: The President's Speech on Libya

    Given the political pressures coming from either side (those who were clamoring for us to do something, and those who said we should stay out of it), I think in terms of his actions he pretty much did the sensible thing. I am still not in favor of intervention however, and I am still hung up on Congress not having voted on a declaration of war, when are we going to start taking that seriously?
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: The President's Speech on Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Given the political pressures coming from either side (those who were clamoring for us to do something, and those who said we should stay out of it), I think in terms of his actions he pretty much did the sensible thing. I am still not in favor of intervention however, and I am still hung up on Congress not having voted on a declaration of war, when are we going to start taking that seriously?
    Honestly, I don't think there is a single decision he could have made that wouldn't have resulted in plenty of criticism.

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    Re: The President's Speech on Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Meh.

    If he hadn't of done anything...

    He's not a leader, rah rah rah rah rah rah!

    He did do something

    he's not a leader rah rah rah rah rah rah rah!

    Rah rah rah pastors,! Rah rah rha rah rah!
    I see, so all criticism of Obama is just invalid partisanship?
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    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I see, so all criticism of Obama is just invalid partisanship?
    Not at all.

    But he was ****ed if he did, and was ****ed if he didn't.

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