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The President's Speech on Libya

Dr_Patrick said:
Bringing up his pastor on this particular issue is relevant and valid?
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Since his pastor, and 0bama himself have stated that interventions such as the President is conducting in Libya today are the reason we are "hated" across the world.

Any of this ringing a memory bell?

Dr_Patrick said:
Referring to him as "candidate" is valid? (Also, I didn't realize that the whole voting process of him getting elected was in question...unless you are a birther or something.)
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Yes, Candidate 0bama would have lots of problems with President 0bama's actions in Libya.

That is absolutely relevant.

I have no idea what you mean by the "whole voting process" and the birther nonsense.
 
Erod said:
So when do we go help the people of Darfur? Syria? Rwanda? Iran? Ivory Coast?

Why are Libyans so special?

He *****-footed around the issue. He knows what has to be done, but he's scared of following Bush's footsteps, which he's done since the day he took office, and now he has no idea what to do?

He's finding out the world is a big, mean place, not the kumbaya acid trip his liberalism wants it to be.
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You've missed the mark, my friend. Bush Sr understood the consequence of overstepping his U.N. mandate when he sent troops to liberate Kuwait. He knew that invading Iraq was not his job despite the atrocities Saddam bestowed upon his people. But it wasn't his place to take him out Personally, I believe his son overstepped his bounds, but I don't think anyone can deny that what ultimately happened in Iraq with U.S. intervention was exactly what the Ambassador Rev. Wright quoted warned us about - that our foreign policy in the Middle-East could lead to a backlash from terrorist who don't care who they take with them when they die.

For my take, I am glad to see a President unwilling to compromise America's priciples and step on our values for personal gain, power and glory. I'd much rather see an American President muster the courage to go to the world-at-large, state his case for rendering aid to a defenseless people, and aiding its nationals thereby providing them the chance to instill democracy in their country for themselves than to standby proclaiming to be a nation of such high virtue but do nothing to help. That's just not who we are as a nation. What makes this situation any different from what's happened or happening in Egypt, Syria, Tunisia, Saudia Arabia, Iran? As I said in a another thread, it's about the slaughter of innocent lives by a people's government which is suppose to protect them, not kill them in-mass, defenseless. (Does it also help to be an American ally and not a known enemy? You betcha :wink:)
 
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Dr_Patrick said:
Honestly, I don't think there is a single decision he could have made that wouldn't have resulted in plenty of criticism.
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As is the case for all Presidents.

My criticisms are valid. I had lots of valid criticisms about Iraq and Afghanistan as well.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Not at all.

But he was ****ed if he did, and was ****ed if he didn't.
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For some people that might be true. I don't believe that's the case in general.

I support the President on Libya and am willing to give him plenty of room to find his feet.

There is nothing wrong with having criticisms with a Presidents policies as long as they are valid. Just ask Hillary.
 
Chappy said:
I thought the speech was effective in communicating the reasons for the intervention in Libya, the limits on that intervention and perhaps most important how Obama views American leadership within the world.

“Contrary to the claims of some, American leadership is not simply a matter of going it alone and bearing all of the burden ourselves. Real leadership creates the conditions and coalitions for others to step up as well; to work with allies and partners so that they bear their share of the burden and pay their share of the costs; and to see that the principles of justice and human dignity are upheld by all.”

— President Barack H. Obama, speech to the nation, March 28, 2011​
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0bama seems to have forgotten there was a coalition in both Iraq and Afghanistan and the US did not act alone.

He isn't the only one this would be news to. There are plenty of people on this website who don't seem to know either.
 
Objective Voice said:
First off, I agree with those who consider pulling the President's foremore Paster into the debate is a low blow.
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No it isn't. 0bama's mentor for 20 years is absolutely relevant now as it was in 2008.

Lefties didn't care then and care even less today.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Not at all.

But he was ****ed if he did, and was ****ed if he didn't.
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That's not so. There are many other disctatorial countries which Barrack Obama is ignoring and noobody cares.

What evidence do you have that he was ****ed if he didn't?
 
ARealConservative said:
but what he says has no bearing on what he does. so why take what he says serously?
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I will agree 0bama's policy on Libya has been confusing and until last night had not addressed the nation as to why we are getting involved.

I will also agree that confusion has been the case with much of the 0bama administration on many subjects both foreign and domestic.

He is still our President and what he says does matter. I support him on Libya.

Military operations are by nature confusing and must adapt to events unfolding. So far I give 0bama C+ on Libya. He's doing much better than I expected.
 
ARealConservative said:
but what he says has no bearing on what he does. so why take what he says serously?
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I agree. Someone used the word "dodgy" and I think it's perfect. You can practically see the wheels turning as he thinks how best to state a thing to achieve minimum damage to his chances. I never feel that he is just laying it out straight.
 
Ron Mars said:
I will agree 0bama's policy on Libya has been confusing and until last night had not addressed the nation as to why we are getting involved.

I will also agree that confusion has been the case with much of the 0bama administration on many subjects both foreign and domestic.

He is still our President and what he says does matter. I support him on Libya.

Military operations are by nature confusing and must adapt to events unfolding. So far I give 0bama C+ on Libya. He's doing much better than I expected.
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I suspect you support every move we have ever made with our military.
 
Jet would you please consider changing the avatar.

Helen Thomas is cruel and unusual punishment to my eyes.
 
Ron Mars said:
Military operations are by nature confusing and must adapt to events unfolding. So far I give 0bama C+ on Libya. He's doing much better than I expected.
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But what was it that was expected? I don't think that has been made clear.

And when Barrack Obama decides to quit, what makes him think that others will decide to quit as well?

It seems a mistake to believe that he owns the agenda and that he will decide when a war starts and when it will stop.
 
Grant said:
But what was it that was expected? I don't think that has been made clear.
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I expected him to act after Benghazi was reduced to ashes and with tepid military actions.

He was late but fortunately not too late. The ferocity and extent of the campaign was a surprise to most people.

Grant said:
And when Barrack Obama decides to quit, what makes him think that others will decide to quit as well?
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If 0bama changes course in Libya the coalition will likely fracture. I agree.

Grant said:
It seems a mistake to believe that he owns the agenda and that he will decide when a war starts and when it will stop.
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He owns the agenda here in the US because he's setting that agenda IMO.
 
Ron Mars said:
Most of them.

I did not support the military operations in Somalia, Bosnia or the several interventions in Haiti to name a few.
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I take a much more humble view of the efficacy of all government actions, not just the ones at home.
 
Ron Mars said:
Jet would you please consider changing the avatar.

Helen Thomas is cruel and unusual punishment to my eyes.
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Were you talking to Jet or Justabubba ???? :lol:
 
Ron Mars said:
Jet would you please consider changing the avatar.

Helen Thomas is cruel and unusual punishment to my eyes.
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Because I am a merciful god. I will grant your request.

When I get home later tonight (on iPhone)
 
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