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    Re: The President's Speech on Libya

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    Honest question for you...

    Who do you think the main load bearers of the new "main load bearers" in Libya are?
    Why Estonia of course!!!
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    Re: The President's Speech on Libya

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    … if the american/nato/un/arab league mission in libya is protection of civilians how can we WIPE OUT the citizens of sirte?
    It's a good point; our new rebel friends need to be better than Gaddafi; their treatment of their fellow Libyan should be a considerable concern on the coalition's part.
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    Re: The President's Speech on Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    It's a good point; our new rebel friends need to be better than Gaddafi; their treatment of their fellow Libyan should be a considerable concern on the coalition's part.

    Who said these people were 'Rebels" in the first place and who really knows what's on their minds?

    It seems there are a few assumptions taking place here and it might have been a good idea to get some firmer understanding before dropping the bombs.

    Although the Arab League may have the purest motives in their approval of us bombing Libya, our involvement shouldn't really depend or hinge on that.

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    Re: The President's Speech on Libya

    here we go

    is libya the RIGHT nation for us to be building?

    France24 - New Libya contact group to provide 'political direction'

    the coalition led, according to obama, by obama ("real leadership creates the conditions and coalitions for others to step up") is only now beginning to realize what it's bit off

    no spin, lynn

    if gadaffi stays, we're emasculated and the mission to protect civilians is failed

    if he goes we, thru nato, build a new libya

    stay up

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    Re: The President's Speech on Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    I think you misread the 2009 quote: it is actually very consistent with the president's speech last night; and, of course, at no time in 2009 was Barack Obama a candidate: he was either president or president-elect.
    The fact that he was President when uttering those words is the point.

    Senator 0bama would have lots of problems if President McCain was doing the same thing in Libya today.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    The point is that the president had established the guidelines for military intervention on the basis of “humanitarian grounds” over a year ago; indeed announced them at the Nobel Peace Price acceptance ceremony and, now, case in point: a broad military coalition has acted on a United Nations Security Council resolution and intervened in Libya on humanitarian grounds. I think it is quite impressive.
    And he has my support.
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    Re: The President's Speech on Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    There is a big difference. In Iraq, The US did the heavy lifting, to the tune of a trillion dollars. In Libya, we stepped into the leadership for a few days, and are now functioning only as support for NATO, which are now the main load bearers.
    I can't think of a military operation with a broad coalition when the US was not the main load bearers.

    I do have a problem with NATO being expected to enforce this UN resolution. It sets a bad precedent IMO.

    I'm no expert on NATO but Libya is not a member nation and they did not attack one. Why is NATO involved?

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    However, I do NOT believe that we had any business getting involved with Libya, and am opposed to our involvement there. This is consistent with my belief that we should not have gone into Iraq either, and I was also opposed to that. However, I did support the Afghan war, because it was the nation that provided a base of operations, and also a shelter, to those who attacked us on 9/11, and I saw war there as vital to US interests.
    There are lots of people on both sides of the isle who feel the same way.
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    Re: The President's Speech on Libya

    the neocons are ecstatic, congrats

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    Re: The President's Speech on Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    the neocons are ecstatic, congrats
    I don't know what a neocon is but nobody I know is "ecstatic" about the US intervention in Libya. It's a tragedy and chaos as are all military operations.

    Kristol is surprised to hear 0bama talk about a military operation this way. Kristol summed it up nicely;

    The president was unapologetic, freedom-agenda-embracing, and didn’t shrink from defending the use of force or from appealing to American values and interests. Furthermore, the president seems to understand we have to win in Libya.


    I support the President. It's extremely unfortunate that Gaddafi didn't just leave instead of killing people. But he didn't. Now that we are engaged we have to see it through.

    This morning his butchers are on the offensive. That would not be happening if decisive action had been taken early. When carriers show up I'll know 0bama has realized that serious pounding of Gaddafi's ground forces is the only way to win this.

    At this point after hearing recently about snipers targeting civilians, continued shelling of cities and offensive operations more firepower is needed. This may also require a significant covert special operations mission within Libya to designate targets and conduct counter-sniper operations.

    If they are there today and the President is deliberately withholding that information to protect their lives I would have no problem with that.
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    Re: The President's Speech on Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    I don't know what a neocon is but nobody I know is "ecstatic" about the US intervention in Libya. It's a tragedy and chaos as are all military operations.

    Kristol is surprised to hear 0bama talk about a military operation this way. Kristol summed it up nicely;

    The president was unapologetic, freedom-agenda-embracing, and didn’t shrink from defending the use of force or from appealing to American values and interests. Furthermore, the president seems to understand we have to win in Libya.


    I support the President. It's extremely unfortunate that Gaddafi didn't just leave instead of killing people. But he didn't. Now that we are engaged we have to see it through.

    This morning his butchers are on the offensive. That would not be happening if decisive action had been taken early. When carriers show up I'll know 0bama has realized that serious pounding of Gaddafi's ground forces is the only way to win this.

    At this point after hearing recently about snipers targeting civilians, continued shelling of cities and offensive operations more firepower is needed. This may also require a significant covert special operations mission within Libya to designate targets and conduct counter-sniper operations.

    If they are there today and the President is deliberately withholding that information to protect their lives I would have no problem with that.
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