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    Re: The President's Speech on Libya

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    Were you talking to Jet or Justabubba ????
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    A moist Helen Thomas is a scary thought.
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    Re: The President's Speech on Libya

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    i refuse to remove my helen thomas avatar
    Ahhhhhhhh

    There she is again. This time she forgot to shave.
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    Re: The President's Speech on Libya

    Rachel Maddow pointed out last night's presidential address echoes one he made late in his first year in office.

    “More and more, we all confront difficult questions about how to prevent the slaughter of civilians by their own government, or to stop a civil war whose violence and suffering can engulf an entire region.

    “I believe that force can be justified on humanitarian grounds, as it was in the Balkans, or in other places that have been scarred by war. Inaction tears at our conscience and can lead to more costly intervention later. That's why all responsible nations must embrace the role that militaries with a clear mandate can play to keep the peace.

    “America's commitment to global security will never waver. But in a world in which threats are more diffuse, and missions more complex, America cannot act alone. America alone cannot secure the peace.”


    — Barack H. Obama, Remarks by the President at the Acceptance of the Nobel Peace Prize, December 10, 2009

    It is striking how that speech over a year ago laid the foundations for this month's intervention in Libya.
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    Re: The President's Speech on Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Rachel Maddow pointed out last night's presidential address echoes one he made late in his first year in office.

    “More and more, we all confront difficult questions about how to prevent the slaughter of civilians by their own government, or to stop a civil war whose violence and suffering can engulf an entire region.

    “I believe that force can be justified on humanitarian grounds, as it was in the Balkans, or in other places that have been scarred by war. Inaction tears at our conscience and can lead to more costly intervention later. That's why all responsible nations must embrace the role that militaries with a clear mandate can play to keep the peace.

    “America's commitment to global security will never waver. But in a world in which threats are more diffuse, and missions more complex, America cannot act alone. America alone cannot secure the peace.”


    — Barack H. Obama, Remarks by the President at the Acceptance of the Nobel Peace Prize, December 10, 2009

    It is striking how that speech over a year ago laid the foundations for this month's intervention in Libya.
    That's nice.

    Candidate 0bama and his mentor would disagree with President 0bama today.
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    Re: The President's Speech on Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshabar View Post
    President Obama:

    For generations, the United States of America has played a unique role as an anchor of global security and advocate for human freedom.


    President Obama's mentor and spiritual advisor for 20 years: ...
    People can and do think freely as individuals. For example, at my Church, messages that bordered on pacifism at times or supported taking a chance with some unilateral nuclear disarmament was advocated during the closing years of the Cold War. I profoundly disagreed with those messages. All people are not inherently good. All people do not aspire to peace. All people do not value human life. If even one of those factors applies, pacifism is not viable. Similarly, unilateral nuclear disarmament that would, in effect, lower the maximum consequence of aggression would only invite more aggression not lead to reciprocation.

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    Re: The President's Speech on Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Rachel Maddow pointed out last night's presidential address echoes one he made late in his first year in office.

    “More and more, we all confront difficult questions about how to prevent the slaughter of civilians by their own government, or to stop a civil war whose violence and suffering can engulf an entire region.

    “I believe that force can be justified on humanitarian grounds, as it was in the Balkans, or in other places that have been scarred by war. Inaction tears at our conscience and can lead to more costly intervention later. That's why all responsible nations must embrace the role that militaries with a clear mandate can play to keep the peace.

    “America's commitment to global security will never waver. But in a world in which threats are more diffuse, and missions more complex, America cannot act alone. America alone cannot secure the peace.”


    — Barack H. Obama, Remarks by the President at the Acceptance of the Nobel Peace Prize, December 10, 2009

    It is striking how that speech over a year ago laid the foundations for this month's intervention in Libya.
    What makes you think it laid any foundation for killing Libyans?

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    Re: The President's Speech on Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    That's nice.

    Candidate 0bama and his mentor would disagree with President 0bama today.
    I think you misread the 2009 quote: it is actually very consistent with the president's speech last night; and, of course, at no time in 2009 was Barack Obama a candidate: he was either president or president-elect.

    The point is that the president had established the guidelines for military intervention on the basis of “humanitarian grounds” over a year ago; indeed announced them at the Nobel Peace Price acceptance ceremony and, now, case in point: a broad military coalition has acted on a United Nations Security Council resolution and intervened in Libya on humanitarian grounds. I think it is quite impressive.
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    Re: The President's Speech on Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Rachel Maddow pointed out last night's presidential address echoes one he made late in his first year in office.

    “More and more, we all confront difficult questions about how to prevent the slaughter of civilians by their own government, or to stop a civil war whose violence and suffering can engulf an entire region.

    “I believe that force can be justified on humanitarian grounds, as it was in the Balkans, or in other places that have been scarred by war. Inaction tears at our conscience and can lead to more costly intervention later. That's why all responsible nations must embrace the role that militaries with a clear mandate can play to keep the peace.

    “America's commitment to global security will never waver. But in a world in which threats are more diffuse, and missions more complex, America cannot act alone. America alone cannot secure the peace.”


    — Barack H. Obama, Remarks by the President at the Acceptance of the Nobel Peace Prize, December 10, 2009

    It is striking how that speech over a year ago laid the foundations for this month's intervention in Libya.


    So why not dafur? syria? egypt? lebenon? jordan? iran? etc?
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    Re: The President's Speech on Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    I didn’t watch the President’s speech last night I read a copy of the text today. IMO he adequately explained the reasons for intervention.

    This is a link to the text of the President's speech. I don't vouch for the website.
    Text Of President Obama's Speech On The Situation In Libya | TPM LiveWire


    I have some comments to make about the substance of that speech. There was lip service given to his stated policy of removing Gaddafi and there was no mention of the jihadi presence amongst the rebels. The following statements by the President were notable:

    For generations, the United States of America has played a unique role as an anchor of global security and advocate for human freedom.

    That would be news to Candidate 0bama and his pastor of 20 years.

    As one Libyan said, "For the first time we finally have hope that our nightmare of 40 years will soon be over."

    Many Iraqis and Afghans said the same thing.

    Our most effective alliance, NATO, has taken command of the enforcement of the arms embargo and No Fly Zone.

    Why is NATO enforcing UN resolutions? Where the hell is the UN?

    We will safeguard the more than $33 billion that was frozen from the Gaddafi regime so that it is available to rebuild Libya. After all, this money does not belong to Gaddafi or to us - it belongs to the Libyan people, and we will make sure they receive it.

    Well done Mr. President.

    To brush aside America's responsibility as a leader and - more profoundly - our responsibilities to our fellow human beings under such circumstances would have been a betrayal of who we are.

    That would be news to Candidate 0bama and his pastor of 20 years.

    The democratic impulses that are dawning across the region would be eclipsed by the darkest form of dictatorship, as repressive leaders concluded that violence is the best strategy to cling to power. The writ of the UN Security Council would have been shown to be little more than empty words, crippling its future credibility to uphold global peace and security.

    The UN has been irrelevant for some years now. It’s the reason they are now expecting NATO to enforce their own resolutions.

    If we tried to overthrow Gaddafi by force, our coalition would splinter.

    This explains his walking back the “Gaddafi must leave” rhetoric.

    To be blunt, we went down that road in Iraq.

    And to be blunt Mr. President we tried diplomatic pressure and a NFZ in Iraq. It didn’t work. He never passes up an opportunity to slander his predecessor.

    In such cases, we should not be afraid to act - but the burden of action should not be America's alone. As we have in Libya, our task is instead to mobilize the international community for collective action. Because contrary to the claims of some, American leadership is not simply a matter of going it alone and bearing all of the burden ourselves.

    You inherited a coalition of nations in both Iraq and Afghanistan Mr. President.
    There is a big difference. In Iraq, The US did the heavy lifting, to the tune of a trillion dollars. In Libya, we stepped into the leadership for a few days, and are now functioning only as support for NATO, which are now the main load bearers.

    However, I do NOT believe that we had any business getting involved with Libya, and am opposed to our involvement there. This is consistent with my belief that we should not have gone into Iraq either, and I was also opposed to that. However, I did support the Afghan war, because it was the nation that provided a base of operations, and also a shelter, to those who attacked us on 9/11, and I saw war there as vital to US interests.
    Last edited by danarhea; 03-29-11 at 02:52 PM.
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