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    Re: The President's Speech on Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post

    Military operations are by nature confusing and must adapt to events unfolding. So far I give 0bama C+ on Libya. He's doing much better than I expected.
    But what was it that was expected? I don't think that has been made clear.

    And when Barrack Obama decides to quit, what makes him think that others will decide to quit as well?

    It seems a mistake to believe that he owns the agenda and that he will decide when a war starts and when it will stop.

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    Re: The President's Speech on Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    I suspect you support every move we have ever made with our military.
    Most of them.

    I did not support the military operations in Somalia, Bosnia or the several interventions in Haiti to name a few.
    The national security of the United States can never be left in the hands of liberals.

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    Re: The President's Speech on Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    But what was it that was expected? I don't think that has been made clear.
    I expected him to act after Benghazi was reduced to ashes and with tepid military actions.

    He was late but fortunately not too late. The ferocity and extent of the campaign was a surprise to most people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    And when Barrack Obama decides to quit, what makes him think that others will decide to quit as well?
    If 0bama changes course in Libya the coalition will likely fracture. I agree.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It seems a mistake to believe that he owns the agenda and that he will decide when a war starts and when it will stop.
    He owns the agenda here in the US because he's setting that agenda IMO.
    The national security of the United States can never be left in the hands of liberals.

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    Re: The President's Speech on Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Not at all.

    But he was ****ed if he did, and was ****ed if he didn't.
    That's no different than Bush's 8 years, though.
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    Re: The President's Speech on Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    Most of them.

    I did not support the military operations in Somalia, Bosnia or the several interventions in Haiti to name a few.
    I take a much more humble view of the efficacy of all government actions, not just the ones at home.

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    Re: The President's Speech on Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    Jet would you please consider changing the avatar.

    Helen Thomas is cruel and unusual punishment to my eyes.
    Were you talking to Jet or Justabubba ????

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    Re: The President's Speech on Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    Jet would you please consider changing the avatar.

    Helen Thomas is cruel and unusual punishment to my eyes.
    Because I am a merciful god. I will grant your request.

    When I get home later tonight (on iPhone)

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    Re: The President's Speech on Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Because I am a merciful god. I will grant your request.

    When I get home later tonight (on iPhone)
    Thank you oh merciful god.
    The national security of the United States can never be left in the hands of liberals.

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    Re: The President's Speech on Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Were you talking to Jet or Justabubba ????
    Jetboogieman. His avatar of Helen Thomas is cruel.
    The national security of the United States can never be left in the hands of liberals.

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    Re: The President's Speech on Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Because I am a merciful god. I will grant your request.

    When I get home later tonight (on iPhone)
    She's basically female Palpatine.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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