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    Re: The President's Speech on Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    Honestly, I don't think there is a single decision he could have made that wouldn't have resulted in plenty of criticism.
    I agree. He was pretty much between a rock and a hard place, screwed if he did and screwed if he didn't. The more I read and listen to the reports coming out of Libya however, the more I feel that this might not be a rebellion worth supporting. Actually I kinda felt that way from the beginning.
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    Re: The President's Speech on Libya

    We will safeguard the more than $33 billion that was frozen from the Gaddafi regime so that it is available to rebuild Libya. After all, this money does not belong to Gaddafi or to us - it belongs to the Libyan people, and we will make sure they receive it.

    Dang! I wish Obama would give my great-great-great grandchildren their money back. It doesn't belong to him, it belongs to them.




    BTW. Why would he even say the money doesn't belong to us? Who would ever think the money belonged to us?

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    Re: The President's Speech on Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Not at all.

    But he was ****ed if he did, and was ****ed if he didn't.
    Is it at all possible in your mind that there might be some validity in criticizing the way he went about it or what he says now to justify it, especially in light of contradictory things he said about Iraq when he was a senator?
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    Re: The President's Speech on Libya

    I thought the speech was effective in communicating the reasons for the intervention in Libya, the limits on that intervention and perhaps most important how Obama views American leadership within the world.

    “Contrary to the claims of some, American leadership is not simply a matter of going it alone and bearing all of the burden ourselves. Real leadership creates the conditions and coalitions for others to step up as well; to work with allies and partners so that they bear their share of the burden and pay their share of the costs; and to see that the principles of justice and human dignity are upheld by all.”

    — President Barack H. Obama, speech to the nation, March 28, 2011
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    Re: The President's Speech on Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Is it at all possible in your mind that there might be some validity in criticizing the way he went about it or what he says now to justify it, especially in light of contradictory things he said about Iraq when he was a senator?
    It certainly isn't the first campaign promise he's gone back on, but is definitely worth of criticism. Though, you must admit that no matter what he would have done on this issue, he would have received criticism for it. If he would have sat on his hands and done nothing, people would be giving him criticism for being weak (especially since the French kind of led the charge with this whole thing...)

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    Re: The President's Speech on Libya

    By not seeking congressional approval he proved to be a huge hypocrite. Why should anyone take anything he promises seriously?

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    Re: The President's Speech on Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Is it at all possible in your mind that there might be some validity in criticizing the way he went about it or what he says now to justify it, especially in light of contradictory things he said about Iraq when he was a senator?
    Ah X.

    I'm not saying the critisism is invalid or whatever it is you're arguing.

    The issue is.

    Had he done nothing.

    People would have bitched.

    He's done something.

    People have bitched.

    That's my point.

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    Re: The President's Speech on Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    I thought the speech was effective in communicating the reasons for the intervention in Libya, the limits on that intervention and perhaps most important how Obama views American leadership within the world.

    “Contrary to the claims of some, American leadership is not simply a matter of going it alone and bearing all of the burden ourselves. Real leadership creates the conditions and coalitions for others to step up as well; to work with allies and partners so that they bear their share of the burden and pay their share of the costs; and to see that the principles of justice and human dignity are upheld by all.”

    — President Barack H. Obama, speech to the nation, March 28, 2011
    You do understand that we are running the NATO operation and virtually paying for it by ourselves, right?

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    Re: The President's Speech on Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    It certainly isn't the first campaign promise he's gone back on, but is definitely worth of criticism. Though, you must admit that no matter what he would have done on this issue, he would have received criticism for it. If he would have sat on his hands and done nothing, people would be giving him criticism for being weak (especially since the French kind of led the charge with this whole thing...)
    Yes, of course you're right, no matter how he handled this, he would be criticized. That would be true of any president.
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    Re: The President's Speech on Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Yes, of course you're right, no matter how he handled this, he would be criticized. That would be true of any president.
    Also very true.

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