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    Re: The President's Speech on Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Mars View Post
    He did.

    Things look different from the oval office. Bush tried to warn him.

    On Libya I'm willing to forgive 0bama's past statements about military interventions and chalk it up to his ignorance of foreign policy and naive beliefs about the world.

    He's not in the leadership seat yet and hopefully he will realize this thing will not succeed without his leadership.
    Past statements ??? Do you mean the "past" as in last week??

    After 2+ years, most Presidents have settled into the leadership seat quite nicely. This one keeps voting "present".

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    Re: The President's Speech on Libya

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    Past statements ??? Do you mean the "past" as in last week??
    I mean Senator/Candidate 0bama's statements. President 0bama's statements over the last few weeks have been less than inspiring and lacked focus.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    After 2+ years, most Presidents have settled into the leadership seat quite nicely. This one keeps voting "present".
    Leadership was something 0bama never had to deal with before. He's going to make mistakes. McCain would be making mistakes as well IMO.
    The national security of the United States can never be left in the hands of liberals.

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    Re: The President's Speech on Libya

    obama's a rank amateur

    1. days, not weeks

    2. get khadafi, get khadafi not

    3. our mission is humanitarian

    4. which stated goal is unreachable unless khadafi is kaput

    5. nato is US

    6. national security morphs into protecting the un's cred and maintaining coalitions

    7. meanwhile, the GULF and ISRAEL are completely overlooked

    8. the rebels are a rabble

    9. nation building, anyone?

    even HILLARY called him AN AMATEUR

    you can't commit to something as deadly serious as WAR without a vision of the ENDGAME before you throw in

    you can't go changing your mind every hour, issuing vacillating statements of purpose, with various offices contradicting each other day by day

    you never commit to a cause that has ZERO CHANCE of success

    even HILLARY called him AN AMATEUR

    Obama’s indecision on Libya has pushed Clinton over the edge | The Daily Caller - Breaking News, Opinion, Research, and Entertainment

    "if's" and "hopefully's" are for children

    kids shouldn't wage our WARS

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    Re: The President's Speech on Libya

    today: Nato lacking strike aircraft for Libya campaign | World news | guardian.co.uk

    surprised?

    additionally, it appears the usn is "retaining national control over [its] substantial military forces, refusing to submit them to nato authority"

    embarrassed yet?
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    Re: The President's Speech on Libya

    today: the rebels are BLAMING nato for not getting the job done

    Video, Libya: Rebels Accuse Nato Of Being Too Slow To Act | World News | Sky News

    nation building, anyone?

    or should we just bug out?

    how can obama's humanitarian goals be achieved if khadafi the killer continues?

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    Re: The President's Speech on Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    today: the rebels are BLAMING nato for not getting the job done

    Video, Libya: Rebels Accuse Nato Of Being Too Slow To Act | World News | Sky News

    nation building, anyone?

    or should we just bug out?

    how can obama's humanitarian goals be achieved if khadafi the killer continues?
    NATO should not attempt to compensate for the rebels' extreme political and military incompetence to date. The rebels are trying to shift blame in a bid to bring about even greater military intervention on their bahalf so as to have others wage their revolution for them. Full responsibility rests with their own failures to build broad-based support among Libyans, as well as their chaotic military tactics that appear to have lacked even the most basic elements of strategy. Quite frankly, given their inept performance to date, it is difficult to argue that they merit the level of foreign support that they have been receiving.

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    Re: The President's Speech on Libya

    yes, there does not appear much material to build a nation with should khadafi be kicked out

    and if the murderer remains, the coalition's humanitarian goals are, to say the least, set back

    it's curious that anyone in nato or at foggy bottom would ever have considered arming this mob before reviewing them for their competence, dispositions...

    our state dept does not appear to have thought these things thru

    a military intervention committed cavalierly

    where have all the grownups gone
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    Re: The President's Speech on Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    NATO should not attempt to compensate for the rebels' extreme political and military incompetence to date. The rebels are trying to shift blame in a bid to bring about even greater military intervention on their bahalf so as to have others wage their revolution for them. Full responsibility rests with their own failures to build broad-based support among Libyans, as well as their chaotic military tactics that appear to have lacked even the most basic elements of strategy. Quite frankly, given their inept performance to date, it is difficult to argue that they merit the level of foreign support that they have been receiving.
    I think your assessment is a bit harsh. The Libyan rebels and their skills are not that much different that the American military in the early days of the Revolutionary War. They were a ragtag bunch of civilians with few military skills until Baron von Stueben whipped them into shape and made them into a true army.

    The Libyan rebels have little or no military training and little access to true military hardware. I've heard accounts that they've not secured mortars properly, resulting in them firing backwards toward their own people. You can't blame them for their lack of knowledge. With that said, we still don't know who they are and what their true intentions are.

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