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    China 'to overtake US on science' in two years

    China is on course to overtake the US in scientific output possibly as soon as 2013 - far earlier than expected.

    That is the conclusion of a major new study by the Royal Society, the UK's national science academy.

    The country that invented the compass, gunpowder, paper and printing is set for a globally important comeback.

    An analysis of published research - one of the key measures of scientific effort - reveals an "especially striking" rise by Chinese science.

    The study, Knowledge, Networks and Nations, charts the challenge to the traditional dominance of the United States, Europe and Japan.

    The figures are based on the papers published in recognised international journals listed by the Scopus service of the publishers Elsevier.

    'No surprise'

    In 1996, the first year of the analysis, the US published 292,513 papers - more than 10 times China's 25,474.

    By 2008, the US total had increased very slightly to 316,317 while China's had surged more than seven-fold to 184,080.

    Previous estimates for the rate of expansion of Chinese science had suggested that China might overtake the US sometime after 2020.

    But this study shows that China, after displacing the UK as the world's second leading producer of research, could go on to overtake America in as little as two years' time.

    "Projections vary, but a simple linear interpretation of Elsevier's publishing data suggests that this could take place as early as 2013," it says.

    Professor Sir Chris Llewellyn Smith, chair of the report, said he was "not surprised" by this increase because of China's massive boost to investment in R&D.

    Chinese spending has grown by 20% per year since 1999, now reaching over $100bn, and as many as 1.5 million science and engineering students graduated from Chinese universities in 2006.

    "I think this is positive, of great benefit, though some might see it as a threat and it does serve as a wake-up call for us not to become complacent."
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    Re: China 'to overtake US on science' in two years

    This isn't really surprising, seeing as how China is investing its money in its people, in things like education, public transportation, internet, and so forth. How does the US expect to compete when we are going to be cutting education and not doing much about rising college tuition rates, it may soon be to the point where only a privileged few can actually afford a college education.

    A good rule of thumb is that tuition rates will increase at about twice the general inflation rate.
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    Re: China 'to overtake US on science' in two years

    So... China is excelling. Good for them. I can't help but like a country that's more interested in progressing than having big guns.
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    Re: China 'to overtake US on science' in two years

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcadius View Post
    So... China is excelling. Good for them. I can't help but support a country that's more interested in progressing than having big guns.
    Well... they're politically repressive.

    And you don't think they're also working on big guns?

    Have you been living under a rock?

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    Re: China 'to overtake US on science' in two years

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Well... they're politically repressive.

    And you don't think they're also working on big guns?

    Have you been living under a rock?

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    I didn't say they weren't interested in having big guns.
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    Re: China 'to overtake US on science' in two years

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcadius View Post
    I didn't say they weren't interested in having big guns.
    Quote Originally Posted by Arcadius View Post
    So... China is excelling. Good for them. I can't help but like a country that's more interested in progressing than having big guns.
    Yeah you did.

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    Re: China 'to overtake US on science' in two years

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Yeah you did.
    And how does that translate into them not being interested? I said they were more interested in progressing. That doesn't denote that they aren't interested in expanding their military as well.
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    Re: China 'to overtake US on science' in two years

    That will be the point at which we're really ****ed. We gave up our industrial capabilities and focused on technology; but to do that you have to remain on the forefront of science and engineering. If you don't, you won't have anything left at all. Sad that we don't really want to be #1 anymore.
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    Re: China 'to overtake US on science' in two years

    China has not yet reached the technological level of the U.S. or even South Korea. While they have made astounding progress and dominate many fields, they still import crucial technical knowledge from abroad. China has yet to even export a Chinese designed car competitive in the western or Japanese markets. At present rates China is rapidly gaining, but we have more than 2 years before they catch up.

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    Re: China 'to overtake US on science' in two years

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    This isn't really surprising, seeing as how China is investing its money in its people, in things like education, public transportation, internet, and so forth. How does the US expect to compete when we are going to be cutting education and not doing much about rising college tuition rates, it may soon be to the point where only a privileged few can actually afford a college education.



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    Total horse****, we never cut education and never will. It's nothing but a leftist talking point. Show me where it was cut, even a dollar. What percentage of the Chinese budget goes toward entitlements?
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