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    Re: China 'to overtake US on science' in two years

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    China has not yet reached the technological level of the U.S. or even South Korea. While they have made astounding progress and dominate many fields, they still import crucial technical knowledge from abroad. China has yet to even export a Chinese designed car competitive in the western or Japanese markets. At present rates China is rapidly gaining, but we have more than 2 years before they catch up.
    American cars don't even compete with European or Japanese IMO... and wouldn't have an auto industry if it weren't for the tax payers bailing most of them out. Imagine if that didn't happen..

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    Re: China 'to overtake US on science' in two years

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    There is way too much fear-mongering about China. People hear China is building an aircraft carrier and start losing their **** even though the French already got one, the Russians too with more on the way for them, India will have two by the time China has its one, and even Brazil has an aircraft carrier. So, in fact, all this fear about China is overblown. Certainly it is a rising power that will play a significant role in the world, but even if we had reason to be afraid of China becoming a major military player it is still not something likely in this decade. Keep in mind that the U.S. is right now capable of matching the rest of the world's carrier force 1:1 and no other country's are supercarriers of the Nimitz tonnage.
    I am not worried about China's military technology. They are not aggressive towards us.

    However, they own a large portion of our debt and it looks like they'd be doing just fine if we default... They are in a better long term situation than us, and we did it to ourselves.

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    Re: China 'to overtake US on science' in two years

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I know how the budget works, if it got cut....Obama cut it. Bush kept raising education all through his presidency. So I don't believe any link.
    I think it was a mixed bag... plus he did No Child Left behind, which gave some schools more funding than others (that's my understanding). I haven't met a teacher who supports LCLB..

    Bush budget cuts education

    Also, in my state... education is being cut.. It's also a state's issue, but I am sure you know that

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    Re: China 'to overtake US on science' in two years

    I am kind of curious how socialist China is, and what the DP socialists think of China... It seems like they have been opening the economy up a little bit, so I am not sure where they stand.

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    Re: China 'to overtake US on science' in two years

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Budgets aren't cut, but you're welcome to show us all where the cuts are, if you think that's the case. $3T+ budgets
    Uhh, here are some places that are currently cutting or proposing cuts to education:

    Mississippi (how could you not have heard about this?): Governor, R
    Colorado : Governor, D
    Rochester, NY: Mayor, R
    Pennsylvania: Governor, R

    There's literally tons more, but I'd say that shoots your idea that Obama is making all the education cuts pretty null and void.
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    Re: China 'to overtake US on science' in two years

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    I agree. While China's rise might be unsettling for those who truly believe the world is unipolar (the Krauthammer thesis) and fear that U.S. preeminence is slipping away, it is less unsettling for those who understand that it has been and is likely to remain multipolar. Understanding that large shared interests exist between China and the U.S. is also recognition that there is vast opportunity for a non-confrontational, mutually beneficial long-term relationship. A world in which China is counted among the world's great powers need not be a world of confrontation, Cold War, or worse. Among other things, precisely because its economic miracle has been made possible by East Asian stability, a continuation of that stability is as much in China's interest as it is in the United States'.

    To be sure, risks exist. But at this point in time, if those risks evolve to the extent that the U.S. and China are in confrontation, that outcome will more reflect bad policy choices/decisions than some immutable historic outcome.
    Actually I would say that the world is unipolar and China will ultimately rise to be the superpower, but it is not going to be for decades and the progress of reform in China will be substantial by then. I honestly do not see China as a potential enemy any time in our future. Russia is the country I have been looking at for some time, but really my concern is not for some bizarre notion that either country is out to harm us. World War I happened not because anyone wanted it to happen but due to the circumstances and entangling alliances prompting it. People may make political hay out of China's ties to Iran, but those are largely economic and rooted in financial gain as opposed to some geopolitical maneuvering. However, India and Russia have more extensive strategic military ties with Iran and with each other.

    Those sorts of ties can become extremely complicated for the West that aligns itself against Iran.
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    Re: China 'to overtake US on science' in two years

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I am kind of curious how socialist China is, and what the DP socialists think of China... It seems like they have been opening the economy up a little bit, so I am not sure where they stand.
    China is relatively mid level when it comes to government ownership of business. It has sold large stakes in most banks (and it has a lot of different banks) Its two largest oil and gas companies are government owned, and Sinopec (I believe) also has signficant business operations outside of the oil and gas business (it is China's amoung Chinas largest chemical companies)

    Overall the largest companies(industrial and telecom) in China are generally either state owned or controlled. It does have a signifcant number companies that are privately owned and operated. Those companies are growing extremely fast and making massive improvements in Quality Control. BYD which is a large battery maker is moving into the auto busines and doing well at it. It has at least two large interent companies that are privately owned and doing quite well.

    It definately has more government ownership of the economy then the US, if I had to guess I would put them around the french level of government ownership of the economy
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    Re: China 'to overtake US on science' in two years

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    This isn't really surprising, seeing as how China is investing its money in its people, in things like education, public transportation, internet, and so forth. How does the US expect to compete when we are going to be cutting education and not doing much about rising college tuition rates, it may soon be to the point where only a privileged few can actually afford a college education.



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    I don't share the same feeling. Americans have historically spent far more proportionately on education in comparison with many of its European friends. There is also some contention that the amount of money various US states spent in education is difficult to provide examples of student excellence in regards to output. Americans have had a long history of egalitarianism with regard to education in comparison with the incredibly long history of Europeans which was to give welfare benefits to their lower class citizens but keep only vocational education in play for them, allowing for the higher class citizens to go to university. Things have changed for the Europeans in a great direction, but I do not share the doom and gloom regarding America.
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    Re: China 'to overtake US on science' in two years

    American cars don't even compete with European or Japanese IMO... and wouldn't have an auto industry if it weren't for the tax payers bailing most of them out. Imagine if that didn't happen..
    Incorrect. Ford and GM are perfectly competitive in both the American and global marketplace technologically. The bailout came from mismanagement, not technological failures.

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    Re: China 'to overtake US on science' in two years

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    We are better off with excessively low taxes and not spending on science and research. Everything must be cut! Science must be cut, so America is will remain best country on Earth!

    I agree, since 50% of the people pay practically no taxes.
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