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    Re: China 'to overtake US on science' in two years

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Well... they're politically repressive.

    And you don't think they're also working on big guns?

    Have you been living under a rock?

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    Re: China 'to overtake US on science' in two years

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    And you don't think they're also working on big guns?
    This is true. Numerous Pentagon reports have revealed that China's military spending is higher than what is officially reported and that it continues to grow rapidly. Given China's growing strength in science and engineering, it would be surprising if China were not working on technologies that would not, at least in theory, give it a chance of achieving qualitative breakthroughs (consumer and defense fields). My guess is that the space arena is one area in which China is aggressively pursuing advantages. Indeed, that would be a logical starting point given the reliance of modern weapons systems on satellites and other space-related technologies. If one gains superiority in space, many of today's modern weapons systems could be neutralized. At the same time, there is no country--not even the U.S. or Russia--has an edge in space that is so far advanced that the quest to match and then exceed those capabilities is futile.

    Back to the Pentagon's reports, there are the usual arguments that China's military power is growing faster than what might be dictated by the country's security needs. Those arguments miss the point when the wider sweep of history is brought into the picture (a deficiency that seems all to common in U.S. military planning beginning in the early 2000s). Rising powers have typically expanded all facets of their power, including their military power much more rapidly than most other states. By definition, a rising power's military strength has to grow faster than its security requirements, otherwise the state would not be a rising power.

    In the end, I don't believe it is surprising that China is following the typical trajectory of rising powers. It also would not be surprising if it were focusing on arenas in which its growing prowess in science might give it an advantage. What would be surprising is if the U.S. were not working on means of countering that work e.g., the miniaturization of certain space technologies could offer one line of R&D toward that end. The U.S. is a leader in nanotechnologies, so such work would make eminent sense given its strengths.

    Of course, a rising China need not assure a future confrontation between the U.S. and China. There remain broad interests that are shared by the two countries. If American and Chinese political leaders choose wisely, the co-existence experience can be one that is mutually beneficial to both countries and their peoples. At the same time, the overall bilateral relationship can be one that augments global stability.

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    Re: China 'to overtake US on science' in two years

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Total horse****, we never cut education and never will. It's nothing but a leftist talking point. Show me where it was cut, even a dollar. What percentage of the Chinese budget goes toward entitlements?
    Have you even read one news story in the past year? Here's a google search with the string cut+to+education. Good luck, you've got a lot of reading to do:

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    Re: China 'to overtake US on science' in two years

    There is way too much fear-mongering about China. People hear China is building an aircraft carrier and start losing their **** even though the French already got one, the Russians too with more on the way for them, India will have two by the time China has its one, and even Brazil has an aircraft carrier. So, in fact, all this fear about China is overblown. Certainly it is a rising power that will play a significant role in the world, but even if we had reason to be afraid of China becoming a major military player it is still not something likely in this decade. Keep in mind that the U.S. is right now capable of matching the rest of the world's carrier force 1:1 and no other country's are supercarriers of the Nimitz tonnage.
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    Re: China 'to overtake US on science' in two years

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    There is way too much fear-mongering about China. People hear China is building an aircraft carrier and start losing their **** even though the French already got one, the Russians too with more on the way for them, India will have two by the time China has its one, and even Brazil has an aircraft carrier. So, in fact, all this fear about China is overblown. Certainly it is a rising power that will play a significant role in the world, but even if we had reason to be afraid of China becoming a major military player it is still not something likely in this decade. Keep in mind that the U.S. is right now capable of matching the rest of the world's carrier force 1:1 and no other country's are supercarriers of the Nimitz tonnage.
    I agree. While China's rise might be unsettling for those who truly believe the world is unipolar (the Krauthammer thesis) and fear that U.S. preeminence is slipping away, it is less unsettling for those who understand that it has been and is likely to remain multipolar. Understanding that large shared interests exist between China and the U.S. is also recognition that there is vast opportunity for a non-confrontational, mutually beneficial long-term relationship. A world in which China is counted among the world's great powers need not be a world of confrontation, Cold War, or worse. Among other things, precisely because its economic miracle has been made possible by East Asian stability, a continuation of that stability is as much in China's interest as it is in the United States'.

    To be sure, risks exist. But at this point in time, if those risks evolve to the extent that the U.S. and China are in confrontation, that outcome will more reflect bad policy choices/decisions than some immutable historic outcome.

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    Re: China 'to overtake US on science' in two years

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Have you even read one news story in the past year? Here's a google search with the string cut+to+education. Good luck, you've got a lot of reading to do:

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    I know how the budget works, if it got cut....Obama cut it. Bush kept raising education all through his presidency. So I don't believe any link.
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    Re: China 'to overtake US on science' in two years

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I know how the budget works, if it got cut....Obama cut it. Bush kept raising education all through his presidency. So I don't believe any link.
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    Re: China 'to overtake US on science' in two years

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    What percentage of the Chinese budget goes toward entitlements?
    that's the real question.

    they spend money educating their people
    we spend money enabling ours
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    Re: China 'to overtake US on science' in two years

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcadius View Post
    Your partisanship is impressive.

    Budgets aren't cut, but you're welcome to show us all where the cuts are, if you think that's the case. $3T+ budgets
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    Re: China 'to overtake US on science' in two years

    We are better off with excessively low taxes and not spending on science and research. Everything must be cut! Science must be cut, so America is will remain best country on Earth!


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