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    Re: EU to ban cars from cities by 2050

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    And you dont ****ing get it. The only reason there is 70mpg cars is because of government regulation since there has been zero incentive the last 50+ years to do jack**** on gas mileage. Like it or not, the best thing for society in the short, medium and long term will ALWAYS be to get the most out of the least amount of oil, but the opposite is for both oil companies and car companies. The less they run per gallon the better for the oil companies, and the less money car companies have to use on R&D to make new engines that are more efficient.

    And that is how it has gone in the US. Cars have become bigger and bigger, with more cup holders and food placement areas, and bigger seats for bigger asses, but the mileage and performance has gone no where for 40 years. In fact the official average mileage per gallon has gone from 20 to 22 in 21 years.. WOW that is the free market for ya!

    If we had let it up to the "market" after the 1970s oil crisis, then we would be in the same boat as the US today on mileage. But no our politicians were wise to force through minimum standards and today Europeans benefit hugely from this.

    For example.. right now the gas price here is 1.30ish euro per litre.. that is abit under 5 dollars a US gallon. Now my 10 year old VW goes about 18 km on the litre, which is 68.4 km on a gallon, which is about 42 miles per gallon.. on a 10 year old car. Now according to your own government, the average US passenger car gets 22.6 miles per gallon. So that means that the average US car has use 2 gallons when I use one.. which means with the average US fuel price of 3.86 dollars per gallon, that an average American uses 7.72 dollars to go the approx same distance per gallon as I use my abit under 5 dollars..

    So I ask again.. who got the better deal here? And again, I say.. my car is 10 years old.. if I bought a modern car today, the mileage per gallon would be much improved.. especially if I bought a diesel.
    No, the reason there are no cars that get 70 mpg is that few people want to drive around in a shoebox that holds two people and one small bag of groceries. Right up the road from me, there is a car dealer selling SmartCars. They look like a roller skate on four wheels. I saw a crash test of one that got hit by a Honda Accord. It wasn't a pretty picture.

    If you never need to carry more than two people and don't buy much, feel free to buy a toy car. I haul too much to ever own one. Thanks, but I'll keep my truck.

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    Re: EU to ban cars from cities by 2050

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    No, the reason there are no cars that get 70 mpg is that few people want to drive around in a shoebox that holds two people and one small bag of groceries. Right up the road from me, there is a car dealer selling SmartCars. They look like a roller skate on four wheels. I saw a crash test of one that got hit by a Honda Accord. It wasn't a pretty picture.

    If you never need to carry more than two people and don't buy much, feel free to buy a toy car. I haul too much to ever own one. Thanks, but I'll keep my truck.
    And eventually you'll be driving an electric truck.
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    Re: EU to ban cars from cities by 2050

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    No, the reason there are no cars that get 70 mpg is that few people want to drive around in a shoebox that holds two people and one small bag of groceries. Right up the road from me, there is a car dealer selling SmartCars. They look like a roller skate on four wheels. I saw a crash test of one that got hit by a Honda Accord. It wasn't a pretty picture.
    LOL seriously. You can say that of any car..want me to find the exploding GM truck you-tube videos? As for safety.. the Smart car in the US has gotten high marks for safety.

    If you never need to carry more than two people and don't buy much, feel free to buy a toy car. I haul too much to ever own one. Thanks, but I'll keep my truck.
    My 10 year old car can hold 4 people plus what I need at the store. I dont need a freaking truck to carry toilet paper home. And if I buy something "big", then it really has to be big not fit into the car.. and then again most places where you buy "big items" have delivery services that often are free. I can fit a 40 inch LED tv in my car.. does that count as "big" stuff?

    Also a "Smart" car is one of the smallest cars out there and is hardly representative of the average European car. Yes the average European car is "smaller" than the average US car, but I would rather have a smaller safer car than a gas guzzling hog that costs me a fortune to run.

    You do know, that with your attitude, you have lost any right and credibility to complain about high gas prices right?
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    Re: EU to ban cars from cities by 2050

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    As for safety.. the Smart car in the US has gotten high marks for safety.
    I call bull****...

    Video: Smart car jarringly stupid on safety, crash tests show | OregonLive.com
    Versus a midsize Mercedes-Benz C-Class sedan, the Smart ForTwo is not only pulverized, with the passenger compartment getting squashed, but it goes airborne like a beach ball.
    The two-seat Smart car isn't the only example of how owners of small, fuel-sipping models sacrifice safety on the road, sometimes substantially.
    They tested 3 small cars, including the Smart car...
    All three small cars received "poor" ratings in the crash test, which is the Insurance Institute's worst rating.
    All this from the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety.

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    Re: EU to ban cars from cities by 2050

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    I call bull****...

    Video: Smart car jarringly stupid on safety, crash tests show | OregonLive.com


    They tested 3 small cars, including the Smart car...


    All this from the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety.
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    Re: EU to ban cars from cities by 2050

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    LOL seriously. You can say that of any car..want me to find the exploding GM truck you-tube videos? As for safety.. the Smart car in the US has gotten high marks for safety.
    Sure, would love to see these videos you claim. Wait, you're not talking about the crash video that NBC rigged with explosives so that it would burn are you ??? Surely not.

    My 10 year old car can hold 4 people plus what I need at the store. I dont need a freaking truck to carry toilet paper home. And if I buy something "big", then it really has to be big not fit into the car.. and then again most places where you buy "big items" have delivery services that often are free. I can fit a 40 inch LED tv in my car.. does that count as "big" stuff?
    No, that's not even close to being "big" stuff. This weekend I'm going to buy 10 sheets of 1/2" 4' x 8' drywall, a couple dozen 2" x 4" studs, and 6 80# bags of concrete mix. Will your car haul that ?? That's not counting the 28' and 16' ladders that are always on my truck.

    And no, no one around here will deliver for free.

    Also a "Smart" car is one of the smallest cars out there and is hardly representative of the average European car. Yes the average European car is "smaller" than the average US car, but I would rather have a smaller safer car than a gas guzzling hog that costs me a fortune to run.

    You do know, that with your attitude, you have lost any right and credibility to complain about high gas prices right?
    Well, I'm glad you are happy driving a roller skate. Leaves more gas for the rest of us that have to drive real trucks.

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    Re: EU to ban cars from cities by 2050

    European politics at it finest, it amazes me the Europeans keep failing, yet never seem to get off on another road. Global warming and Green is a joke, it's been broke already Europe.
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    Re: EU to ban cars from cities by 2050

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    different tests. Front and side vs. head on angled (like you'd see on a highway where a car crosses the divide).

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    Re: EU to ban cars from cities by 2050

    Well...geeee...except that nobody can tell us what the "next" mode will be


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    Seems like they left out a small detail in that headline.



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    Re: EU to ban cars from cities by 2050

    Quote Originally Posted by Amazed View Post
    Well...geeee...except that nobody can tell us what the "next" mode will be
    I'm pretty sure they clarified that it would be electric cars and high-speed rails. At least for now. What's the problem with that?

    Quote Originally Posted by DontDoIt View Post
    European politics at it finest, it amazes me the Europeans keep failing, yet never seem to get off on another road. Global warming and Green is a joke, it's been broke already Europe.
    Failing at what? And how are we doing better? Last I saw, we are as broke if not more, our education system was nothing to be impressed with, and our health care system was the most expensive and while not being the most effective. Maybe you should focus on fixing our country before you critique their continent.
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