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    Re: EU to ban cars from cities by 2050

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    Why yes, let's not bother to figure out what those "mandatory standards" are and just assume it's 1984.

    So much easier.

    Did you know there are mandatory standards that determine how runways are designed at airports!? MY FREEDOMS!
    Except there is a substantial difference in that this is more than just saying how to make safe runways. It amounts to dictating from on high what cities do with their infrastructure. This is about increasing centralization of power in Brussels without any real democratic accountability.
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    Re: EU to ban cars from cities by 2050

    Who cares if the technology isn't here now, it will be then. Obviously Electric Cars are the wave of the future. Of course, how that electricity get's PRODUCED is going to be a big deal. But let's ignore that for now.

    Go Battery Cars!

    I see this working out like that Kyoto thing, big commitments, few results.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: EU to ban cars from cities by 2050

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Exactly my reaction too.. but their best ones are when the leave the UK. I liked the one they did in America and South Africa..
    The EU, as a group is considering this.

    That means the guys would not be able to go to most of the major cities of Europe and do any driving.

    It is really going to put a crimp in their work, of course by 2050 they will all be dead or close to it.

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    Re: EU to ban cars from cities by 2050

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    For one example of how the traditional automobile could become obsolete in the not-too-distant future, look at the self-driving car that Google developed last year. It was able to drive thousands of miles on the streets and highways of California with minimal human intervention. It's not yet ready to take away the human controls entirely, or to be released to the public...but GM and Honda have both targeted 2017 as a release date for self-driving cars. Even if they're a few years off, it's definitely coming in the near future.

    How will this change society? It will eliminate the need for personal automobile ownership for the vast majority of people. The main reason that people choose to own cars instead of taking public transit is because of the convenience of door-to-door transportation. You get in the car at your house and go exactly where you need to go, whereas you can't do that with a city bus or a train or a metro. Once cars are able to drive themselves, you'll be able to get that kind of convenience WITHOUT owning a car. You could just summon the nearest car with a smartphone app, and it would come pick you up. This would allow for much more efficient transportation, since our personal cars tend to sit unused for over 90% of the day.

    Fewer cars would greatly improve environmental efficiency. Aside from the expected upgrades in hydrogen/electric cars and batteries, fewer cars would mean that less real estate would need to be used as parking lots or highways, and could be left to nature (or used to develop cities more efficiently, thereby reducing sprawl). Additionally, cars will soon be able to communicate with one another and warn each other of traffic jams, thereby reducing traffic congestion, which is a major source of environmental inefficiency. Combine this with the self-driving aspect, and cars would be able to arrange themselves in highway traffic patterns that minimize the amount of energy needed to produce themselves forward, much like racecar drivers do.

    This is just one vision for how emerging transportation technologies will soon be able to dramatically improve our environment and our lives. I'm sure there are plenty of other innovations that people haven't even thought of yet.
    I can't see any scenario where this could ever happen. Just summon the nearest car? Too many liability issues involved.

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    Re: EU to ban cars from cities by 2050

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Nobody drives in NYC. There's too many cars.
    Ok, I know it's late and I should be in bed, but is it just me or does that sentence make absolutely no sense whatsoever?
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    Re: EU to ban cars from cities by 2050

    It wont have that big an impact. Most big cities have top rate public transport, that already is better than driving. For one, I would never drive into Copenhagen center. I would park in the suburbs and take the train/metro. Just so much easier to get around with those. In many cities they already are pushing towards this any ways, including London. Congestion charges are quite high in London for example, and local authorities in many cities either cut the amount of parking available or make it expensive. Free parking is a thing of the past.

    As for the EU doing this... the OP article comes from a UK paper, which means you always have to take it with a huge grain of salt. I cant see under what current ruleset that the EU can set local transportation laws.. hell they cant even set speed limits as of yet.. As always, for this to go through.. all countries need to agree, including the UK.. something that the OP newspaper most likely forgot to mention (no I did not read it .. could not be bothered).
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    Re: EU to ban cars from cities by 2050

    Theres so many problems with this...if you live semi rural or rural and work in the city, you have to drive your car if theres no public trans to the city available, find a place to park right outside the city, take transportation into the city then switch at least once to get where your going. WOW, how about getting up 8 hrs before you start work to get ready and to finally get there

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    Re: EU to ban cars from cities by 2050

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Theres so many problems with this...if you live semi rural or rural and work in the city, you have to drive your car if theres no public trans to the city available, find a place to park right outside the city, take transportation into the city then switch at least once to get where your going. WOW, how about getting up 8 hrs before you start work to get ready and to finally get there
    No, you don't HAVE to drive into the city from suburban and semi-rural areas. Most, if not all major European cities have extensive public transport systems. They also have inadequate road networks that foul up on a fraction of the traffic volume that a US or Canadian city could cope with. In other words, in Europe public transport is better than it is in the US, the driving experience in cities infinitely worse. I occasionally drive into my nearest medium-sized city, Granada and it. is. a. nightmare! Fortunately it is a small enough city that you can walk or cycle throughout the city centre. It's only a matter or time before cars are banned entirely from the city centre, at the instigation of the (right wing) city council, never mind the EU.
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    Re: EU to ban cars from cities by 2050

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    For one example of how the traditional automobile could become obsolete in the not-too-distant future, look at the self-driving car that Google developed last year. It was able to drive thousands of miles on the streets and highways of California with minimal human intervention. It's not yet ready to take away the human controls entirely, or to be released to the public...but GM and Honda have both targeted 2017 as a release date for self-driving cars. Even if they're a few years off, it's definitely coming in the near future.

    How will this change society? It will eliminate the need for personal automobile ownership for the vast majority of people. The main reason that people choose to own cars instead of taking public transit is because of the convenience of door-to-door transportation. You get in the car at your house and go exactly where you need to go, whereas you can't do that with a city bus or a train or a metro. Once cars are able to drive themselves, you'll be able to get that kind of convenience WITHOUT owning a car. You could just summon the nearest car with a smartphone app, and it would come pick you up. This would allow for much more efficient transportation, since our personal cars tend to sit unused for over 90% of the day.

    Fewer cars would greatly improve environmental efficiency. Aside from the expected upgrades in hydrogen/electric cars and batteries, fewer cars would mean that less real estate would need to be used as parking lots or highways, and could be left to nature (or used to develop cities more efficiently, thereby reducing sprawl). Additionally, cars will soon be able to communicate with one another and warn each other of traffic jams, thereby reducing traffic congestion, which is a major source of environmental inefficiency. Combine this with the self-driving aspect, and cars would be able to arrange themselves in highway traffic patterns that minimize the amount of energy needed to produce themselves forward, much like racecar drivers do.

    This is just one vision for how emerging transportation technologies will soon be able to dramatically improve our environment and our lives. I'm sure there are plenty of other innovations that people haven't even thought of yet.
    A self driving car will never take you to the places that I go with my car. For the simple fact that the roads I take are not on any normal GPS system.
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    Re: EU to ban cars from cities by 2050

    It's not like anyone even drives in London anyway. The various trains make getting around a breeze.

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