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    Re: EU to ban cars from cities by 2050

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I think it will work well in Europe... all the public transit.. but will they let buses drive in the city?
    Those damn unintended consequeces! Now, we're going to have to raise taxes to pay for electric busses...

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    Re: EU to ban cars from cities by 2050

    For one example of how the traditional automobile could become obsolete in the not-too-distant future, look at the self-driving car that Google developed last year. It was able to drive thousands of miles on the streets and highways of California with minimal human intervention. It's not yet ready to take away the human controls entirely, or to be released to the public...but GM and Honda have both targeted 2017 as a release date for self-driving cars. Even if they're a few years off, it's definitely coming in the near future.

    How will this change society? It will eliminate the need for personal automobile ownership for the vast majority of people. The main reason that people choose to own cars instead of taking public transit is because of the convenience of door-to-door transportation. You get in the car at your house and go exactly where you need to go, whereas you can't do that with a city bus or a train or a metro. Once cars are able to drive themselves, you'll be able to get that kind of convenience WITHOUT owning a car. You could just summon the nearest car with a smartphone app, and it would come pick you up. This would allow for much more efficient transportation, since our personal cars tend to sit unused for over 90% of the day.

    Fewer cars would greatly improve environmental efficiency. Aside from the expected upgrades in hydrogen/electric cars and batteries, fewer cars would mean that less real estate would need to be used as parking lots or highways, and could be left to nature (or used to develop cities more efficiently, thereby reducing sprawl). Additionally, cars will soon be able to communicate with one another and warn each other of traffic jams, thereby reducing traffic congestion, which is a major source of environmental inefficiency. Combine this with the self-driving aspect, and cars would be able to arrange themselves in highway traffic patterns that minimize the amount of energy needed to produce themselves forward, much like racecar drivers do.

    This is just one vision for how emerging transportation technologies will soon be able to dramatically improve our environment and our lives. I'm sure there are plenty of other innovations that people haven't even thought of yet.
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    Re: EU to ban cars from cities by 2050

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    But, is it practical?

    I mean, if it were so awesome, the government wouldn't have to mandate it's use. Yes?
    So what you're saying now is that the assertion of "wanting to return us to the stone ages" is wrong, and that there are in fact other methods of moving a vehicle?

    Practical? For in-city driving, absolutely. The battery capacity requirements for such a thing aren't nearly as high. As someone else mentioned, battery technology is improving rapidly. I bet by 2050 Europeans will be laughing that they ever drove gasoline-powered cars in the first place. (for personal transportation anyway. I suspect heavy trucks/machinery will remain diesel powered for a much longer time)

    America, not quite as sure. It's a pretty sprawled out country.
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    Re: EU to ban cars from cities by 2050

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    So what you're saying now is that the assertion of "wanting to return us to the stone ages" is wrong, and that there are in fact other methods of moving a vehicle?

    Practical? For in-city driving, absolutely. The battery capacity requirements for such a thing aren't nearly as high. As someone else mentioned, battery technology is improving rapidly. I bet by 2050 Europeans will be laughing that they ever drove gasoline-powered cars in the first place. (for personal transportation anyway. I suspect heavy trucks/machinery will remain diesel powered for a much longer time)

    America, not quite as sure. It's a pretty sprawled out country.
    So! Anyone living outside the city, that wants to visit the city will have to go to the suburbs, park their car--and pay, of course--then pay to get on a public transit vehicle, to go ahead and conduct whatever their business is, within the city.

    That's going to be cheaper, how?

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    Re: EU to ban cars from cities by 2050

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So! Anyone living outside the city, that wants to visit the city will have to go to the suburbs, park their car--and pay, of course--then pay to get on a public transit vehicle, to go ahead and conduct whatever their business is, within the city.

    That's going to be cheaper, how?
    So you don't live near NYC I take it.
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    Re: EU to ban cars from cities by 2050

    I was interested to see the accident rate and any correlation that could be made with the number of cars on the road but I for the life of me can't find good reliable reports from the same years. At Road casualties in Great Britain: main results It would appear as if casualties have actually gone down since 2002. (only lists 02-07) It does seem, though, through my searches that congestion in UK (and London specifically) has in fact risen, although. This congestion has led to the Congestion Charge Zone (a toll road in central and western London.

    London congestion charge - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    This research leads me to believe that the number of accidents does not seem to be directly correlated to the congestion. This does not however mean that congestion is not a serious problem. It seems to me like something with the infrastructure needs to be redone but unfortunately, as it has been pointed out, European cities are not exactly planned upon major highway systems.

    At this point the choices become:

    1) Somehow improve the infrastructure to handle more traffic

    2) Somehow remove vehicles from the roadways

    3) Keep things the same and see the problem grow

    I don't know if the push to ban fuel based (very important) cars off the road will help with congestion as we simply cannot know what infrastructure and technology will be like in 2050. I do however, support green technology. It is essential to our future and the future off our children to come. Whether or not government mandate is the way to fix this problem is quite frankly impossible to predict, but if it helps make the push to cleaner, cheaper, more efficient energy sign me up!

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    Re: EU to ban cars from cities by 2050

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    So you don't live near NYC I take it.
    It's illegal to drive cars in NYC?

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    Re: EU to ban cars from cities by 2050

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's illegal to drive cars in NYC?
    No...nor is it illegal in the EU. Nor WILL it be illegal in the EU. This, again, is a ban proposal on fossil fuel driven vehicles. Not only that, the target is almost 40 years away. I find it disingenuous that you are still using the "No cars in Europe" argument when in post #31 you refer to the need of electric busses on the road. This proves that you KNOW what the ban is about to a certain degree, and that you choose to ignore it to make your argument work.

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    Re: EU to ban cars from cities by 2050

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So! Anyone living outside the city, that wants to visit the city will have to go to the suburbs, park their car--and pay, of course--then pay to get on a public transit vehicle, to go ahead and conduct whatever their business is, within the city.

    That's going to be cheaper, how?
    Actually, given the constantly rising price in fuel (even more so in the EU) there is NO way to tell what the price differential would be between the two or even if it would be a valid comparison in 40 years.

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    Re: EU to ban cars from cities by 2050

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's illegal to drive cars in NYC?
    No. But people outside the city often take a train to get into the city.

    Nobody drives in NYC. There's too many cars.
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