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    Re: EU to ban cars from cities by 2050

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    If they're still around in 2050, they can do top gear about the non-"conventionally fueled cars" that have replaced the "petrol and diesel-driven cars and lorries".
    In 40 years' time Clarkson and May will almost certainly be dead. Hurrah! If there were any poetic justice in this world, Clarkson would perish under the wheels of a super-charged Range Rover whilst on a zebra crossing, on a bike!
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    Re: EU to ban cars from cities by 2050

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So! Anyone living outside the city, that wants to visit the city will have to go to the suburbs, park their car--and pay, of course--then pay to get on a public transit vehicle, to go ahead and conduct whatever their business is, within the city.
    That's going to be cheaper, how?
    Or they could own whatever we'll be driving in 2050 and use that. A little early to say what my great-grand kids and their generation will be driving, imho. YMMV.
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    Re: EU to ban cars from cities by 2050

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Nobody drives in NYC. There's too many cars.
    That's also why nobody goes there—too many people.

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    Re: EU to ban cars from cities by 2050

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    Except there is a substantial difference in that this is more than just saying how to make safe runways. It amounts to dictating from on high what cities do with their infrastructure.
    Crazy things that infringe on individual liberties, like the standard width of a lane, the number of sides on a sign, signs colors, and other very, very personal standards like that which really should be idiosyncratic and variable from city to city.
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    Re: EU to ban cars from cities by 2050

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    What many Americans and Canadians do not understand is that European cities are ancient, not newly built and designed. They are installing a metro in Malaga (biggest city near me) and are finding Roman and pre Roman relics in the ground... doubt you would find anything of real historical value in a US/Canadian city
    Cause North America was entirely uninhabited before the Europeans got here.
    No cities existed here before the Declaration of Independence
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    Re: EU to ban cars from cities by 2050

    Quote Originally Posted by The Preacher View Post
    If there is money to be made, the private sector will find a way.
    Eventually. Someone will eventually. It's largely a question of who. Who will own the rights and patents to that technology?
    China is forging ahead in this are atm.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Preacher View Post
    It is not the job of the government to find or fund alternate fuel sources, especially when cajoled to do so by the private sector. IE> Ethanol scam, global warming scam.
    The private sector does a fair bit more than cajole in re energy policy. Petro companies have lobbyist. I suspect that Petro lobbyist have a bit of a bankroll to work governments over with.
    It's not entirely clear to me that allowing voices to speak to the govt about non-petro fuel sources is such a bad thing.
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    Re: EU to ban cars from cities by 2050

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    Pete, you just flat out don't get it, do you?
    If cars that get 70mpg were that ****ing good, you wouldn't NEED the gov't to mandate them! The free market would! The price of gas goes up, the demand for more fuel efficient cars does as well.
    Where in that simple equation is the word "government?"
    This has a lot of implicit assumptions and very little realistic influence from outside forces.
    It's not clear that your premise is true outside of a thought experiment. There are many other factors that come into play when choosing cars to purchase besides fuel economy.
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    Re: EU to ban cars from cities by 2050

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Why do people keep bringing up that it will only ban fossil fuel cars like somehow that makes it worthy of support?
    It's brought up because people seem to think it says bans all cars whatsoever, and the difference between all cars and petro-cars is notable, imho.
    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Its still liberty out the window last I checked.
    Sure, to some degree. I can't burn my trash in the city either, but I can live without that "liberty" that pretty easily.
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    Re: EU to ban cars from cities by 2050

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    It's brought up because people seem to think it says bans all cars whatsoever, and the difference between all cars and petro-cars is notable, imho.
    Quite. It's quite relevant to mention that only fossil-fuel-burning cars would be banned because clearly it is not a ban on cars at all, despite what the mouth-foaming auto lobby might have you believe. It's merely banning a certain kind of fuel, just as leaded petrol was banned here in Europe some 20 years ago.
    Sure, to some degree. I can't burn my trash in the city either, but I can live without that "liberty" that pretty easily.
    Good point. There are hundreds, if not thousands of ways in which city dwellers curtail their behaviour in order to make co-habiting a confined space workable. Not burning your trash is one, not polluting up the atmosphere with CO and CO2 emissions are another. Not keeping pigs on your balcony might be a third. They are all curtailments of your freedoms, it's just that most people are prepared to give up some of their untrammelled freedoms in order to make life liveable for everyone.
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    Re: EU to ban cars from cities by 2050

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Cause North America was entirely uninhabited before the Europeans got here.
    No cities existed here before the Declaration of Independence
    Are the sites of these old cities still in use or were the modern settlements built elsewhere making it unlikely old ruins will be found in a modern US city?

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