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    Re: EU to ban cars from cities by 2050

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    No, the reason there are no cars that get 70 mpg is that few people want to drive around in a shoebox that holds two people and one small bag of groceries. Right up the road from me, there is a car dealer selling SmartCars. They look like a roller skate on four wheels. I saw a crash test of one that got hit by a Honda Accord. It wasn't a pretty picture.
    The Smart 4-2 gets better safety figures than a Dodge Caliber. Just saying.

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    Re: EU to ban cars from cities by 2050

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    Im not sure if its the 'aliens' spit in your face melt the ship hull when they bleed kindof acid.
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    Re: EU to ban cars from cities by 2050

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    The Smart 4-2 gets better safety figures than a Dodge Caliber. Just saying.

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    By who?

    If you have seen a crash test you will see the car fly when it is hit.

    There is no way it can get a high safety rating.

    Common sense tells us that.

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    Re: EU to ban cars from cities by 2050

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    By who?

    If you have seen a crash test you will see the car fly when it is hit.

    There is no way it can get a high safety rating.

    Common sense tells us that.
    Hit by what and how fast? A 3 ton truck? if so then ANY car will go flying!

    The Smart car would not be allowed on European roads if it was not safe, and European safety standards > US safety standards.
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    Re: EU to ban cars from cities by 2050

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Hit by what and how fast? A 3 ton truck? if so then ANY car will go flying!

    The Smart car would not be allowed on European roads if it was not safe, and European safety standards > US safety standards.
    Any size car.

    Watch this video

    LiveLeak.com - "Smart fortwo" crash test

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    Re: EU to ban cars from cities by 2050

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Any size car.

    Watch this video

    LiveLeak.com - "Smart fortwo" crash test
    Here is another one that is worse

    YouTube - Mercedes S-Class vs. Smart

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    Re: EU to ban cars from cities by 2050

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    This actually isn't JUST about being Green.

    European cities in general, were built long before the advent of the Motor Vehicle. As more and more cars hit the roads in European countries, cities are pushed to the limit in congestion.

    Cities like London simply cannot handle the amount of cars that plow through it every day.
    Many American cities were also built before the invention of the automobile too. However most cities in American adapt,widen streets, build highways and sometimes use Eminent Domain(also known as compulsory purchase, resumption/compulsory acquisition or expropriation in other countries) to do it.



    I support this measure.

    We have to change the way we do things. Sorry but we do.

    Those who want to live in the past. Enjoy it. History will leave you behind.
    Isn't hanging onto the past why many of these European cities want to ban automobiles by 2050 in cities?
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    Re: EU to ban cars from cities by 2050

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Many American cities were also built before the invention of the automobile too. However most cities in American adapt,widen streets, build highways and sometimes use Eminent Domain(also known as compulsory purchase, resumption/compulsory acquisition or expropriation in other countries) to do it.



    Isn't hanging onto the past why many of these European cities want to ban automobiles by 2050 in cities?
    I don't understand the argument that European cities were built before the advent of cars.

    Do they mean there is a dome over each city thereby trapping the emmissions?

    That is the only thing that could be relevant. A car is no wider than a horse drawn carriage, especially the micro cars most Europeans drive.

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    Re: EU to ban cars from cities by 2050

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    By who?

    If you have seen a crash test you will see the car fly when it is hit.

    There is no way it can get a high safety rating.

    Common sense tells us that.
    Well, I linked to the authority, the body that undertakes all crash-test investigation in the EU. The EuroNCAP rating is the only accepted safety standard for new cars and every new car sold in the EU has to carry its rating. I think the Smart's high ratings come from the strength of its crush zones, which isn't terribly surprising given that Smarts are mini Mercedes. Dodge, after all, are Chryslers.
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    Re: EU to ban cars from cities by 2050

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Many American cities were also built before the invention of the automobile too. However most cities in American adapt,widen streets, build highways and sometimes use Eminent Domain(also known as compulsory purchase, resumption/compulsory acquisition or expropriation in other countries) to do it.
    This debate kind of rests on how you want you cities to look and the kind of lifestyle the inhabitants of those cities want to live. Most Europeans would be unhappy for their historic city centres (in many cases 1,000 years old+) to be bulldozed in order to make way for cars. Some have done this, but generally they wouldn't be cities American tourists would have much interest in visiting - check out Birmingham, Rotterdam, Genoa. If you call the preservation of historic architectural and archaeological treasures 'hanging onto the past', then yes, this would be a major factor in seeking to break the stranglehold of the ICE on mass transport solutions.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    I don't understand the argument that European cities were built before the advent of cars.

    Do they mean there is a dome over each city thereby trapping the emmissions?
    Ask any environmental scientist, narrow streets trap air and all that is contained in it.

    That is the only thing that could be relevant. A car is no wider than a horse drawn carriage, especially the micro cars most Europeans drive.
    You think that in pre-automobile days horse-drawn carriages were congesting all the streets that cars do today? Carriages were the exclusive preserve of the rich. In most cities the standard transport was two feet or, if you had a bit of money, the four feet of a mule or donkey.

    Of course, you're right, we Europeans do tend to drive smaller cars than Americans, but then again, so do the Japanese, Koreans, Chinese and most other nations.
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