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    Re: EU to ban cars from cities by 2050

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    EU to ban cars from cities by 2050Title of thread: "EU to Ban Cars from Cities by 2050".

    Yep, nothing there about Spains unemployment rate or budget deficit. Lets keep this at least relatively on topic, and if people want to instead continue to try and drive it off topic then they'll be finding themselves out of the thread

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    Re: EU to ban cars from cities by 2050

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Do they not want them because they have a short range? Do they not want them because they're expensive? Do they not want them due to how they look? Do they not want them due to horsepower? Do they not want them because its inconvinent to charge? Do they not want them because they just hate the idea of owning electric? Do they not want them because they're partisan hacks that would rather ignore something that's viable simply because they fear it'll be used politically?
    I bolded my reasons. Once those are resolved (which should not be too far off), I'll buy one.

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    Re: EU to ban cars from cities by 2050

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    The folks at the University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign might beg to differ with you on that...

    New battery technology may allow for complete recharging within minutes
    That is a different technology though. Changing the technology and saying I'm wrong when I was talking about the current tech isn't me being wrong.
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    Re: EU to ban cars from cities by 2050

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    I bolded my reasons. Once those are resolved (which should not be too far off), I'll buy one.
    Yep, which is essentially my point.

    If people would step out of their partisan box for half a second and honestly and objectively look at the advancement with regards to electric vehicles from 1991 to 2011 they'd notice there's been massive improvement. Research some of the things going on in different labs with regards to various battery technology, such as the one you posted Whovian, and you'll see there's a lot of potential for improvement on the horizon.

    In 1994 my old AST computer had a 100 Mhz Pentium Processor, 16 MB of RAM, with I think a 10 gig hard drive and ran us about $1200 with monitor. That was relatively "high end" at that point in time.

    4 years later in a tiny miniture laptop package I was able to buy a computer with double the Processing speed and the same amount of RAM for half of that price.

    Less than 20 years later I can purchase a phone with two processors both running 10 times as fast as that original computer, that has more than 60 times the RAM of that ATS comp, and has a tiny card smaller than a penny in it that has three times as much memory as that original HD and I can buy the whole thing for $149.

    Techonlogy expands by leaps and bounds while prices drop and size reduces. There's absolutely no logical reason when one looks at other forms of technology, when one looks at the work being done in the field of batteries, and when one looks at the progression of electric vehicles to honestly suggest that its unlikely that many of the deficiencies with electric vehicles currently aren't likely going to be significantly improved in 20 years let alone 40.

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    Re: EU to ban cars from cities by 2050

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    That is a different technology though. Changing the technology and saying I'm wrong when I was talking about the current tech isn't me being wrong.
    It is when you're posting in a thread about a ban FOURTY years from now and trying to say that its unreasonable and dumb because the technology of today is a failure. Of course we couldn't go to an all electric car society today, which means its a good thing this ban isn't happening in 2012 instead of 2050

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    Re: EU to ban cars from cities by 2050

    I was saying it was unreasonable because its force, I hate losing freedom, and its not the business of the government to care about car technology. How far in the future the force is or if it really forces anyone to change doesn't change the fact that they banned something that no one can ever make or us again...ever after 2050.

    I was saying the battery tech was not going to go anywhere because we have been trying to improve battery tech for fourty years and has made almost zero progress. I hardly see this new tech worth anything either.
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    Re: EU to ban cars from cities by 2050

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I was saying the battery tech was not going to go anywhere because we have been trying to improve battery tech for fourty years and has made almost zero progress. I hardly see this new tech worth anything either.
    What? There have been significant increases to battery technology over the past fouty years. Even just looking at rechargables there have been advancements with regards to new materials being used for it, and then improvements within the new categories those new materials have created (from lead acid ones to a variety of nickel to lithium ion). They've also been decreasing in size and weight and better at reducing discharge rates. Look at the cell phone battery of the old motorola original flips compared to the Li-ion slabs of today. Look at the old prototype eletric cars that had to slap dozens of old car batteries together to power it compared to what is found in them in the modern day. Battery tech has most assuredly advanced over the past 40 years, and with the various research going on is on the path as most electronics are where the increase and evolution is exponential in levels. When you make such patentedly false claims such as them having made zero progress in improving battery tech in 40 years it makes your entire argument and your basis for where you're speaking from look completely and utterly ignorant of relaity.

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    Re: EU to ban cars from cities by 2050

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    And if I buy something "big", then it really has to be big not fit into the car.. and then again most places where you buy "big items" have delivery services that often are free.
    I've yet to find a delivery service that will deliver my boat to the boat launch for 5am sharp. When I bought the boat, as soon as I signed the paperwork, the rest was up to me. I can't seem to find a dealership who'll tow my boat for me.
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    Re: EU to ban cars from cities by 2050

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Yep, which is essentially my point.

    If people would step out of their partisan box for half a second and honestly and objectively look at the advancement with regards to electric vehicles from 1991 to 2011 they'd notice there's been massive improvement. Research some of the things going on in different labs with regards to various battery technology, such as the one you posted Whovian, and you'll see there's a lot of potential for improvement on the horizon.

    In 1994 my old AST computer had a 100 Mhz Pentium Processor, 16 MB of RAM, with I think a 10 gig hard drive and ran us about $1200 with monitor. That was relatively "high end" at that point in time.

    4 years later in a tiny miniture laptop package I was able to buy a computer with double the Processing speed and the same amount of RAM for half of that price.

    Less than 20 years later I can purchase a phone with two processors both running 10 times as fast as that original computer, that has more than 60 times the RAM of that ATS comp, and has a tiny card smaller than a penny in it that has three times as much memory as that original HD and I can buy the whole thing for $149.

    Techonlogy expands by leaps and bounds while prices drop and size reduces. There's absolutely no logical reason when one looks at other forms of technology, when one looks at the work being done in the field of batteries, and when one looks at the progression of electric vehicles to honestly suggest that its unlikely that many of the deficiencies with electric vehicles currently aren't likely going to be significantly improved in 20 years let alone 40.
    They can give electric cars range and conforts or anything else they want but I wouldn't even consider one until I have seen real world crash results of not only new models but older models.

    What happens in a roll over or a hard crash to the batteries. DO the batteries still have acid in them and if so, I wouldn't want to be in an upside down car with the batteries over my head.

    My niece crashed her car by herself off a mountain road and she was stuck in the car for 3 hours. What would happen if a battery was breached and you couldn't get out of your car?

    Too many questions still unanswered.

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    Re: EU to ban cars from cities by 2050

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    They can give electric cars range and conforts or anything else they want but I wouldn't even consider one until I have seen real world crash results of not only new models but older models.

    What happens in a roll over or a hard crash to the batteries. DO the batteries still have acid in them and if so, I wouldn't want to be in an upside down car with the batteries over my head.

    My niece crashed her car by herself off a mountain road and she was stuck in the car for 3 hours. What would happen if a battery was breached and you couldn't get out of your car?

    Too many questions still unanswered.
    Im not sure if its the 'aliens' spit in your face melt the ship hull when they bleed kindof acid.

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