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    Re: EU to ban cars from cities by 2050

    Quote Originally Posted by DontDoIt View Post
    Well considering the thread in on EU, we should probably focus on them now shouldn't we?
    Yup, common sense tells us a thread on Europe invites opinion on matters pertaining to Europe... and if the thread is about cars in European cities it's plain sense to discuss cars in European cities......

    Quote Originally Posted by DontDoIt View Post
    Anyway, back the matter of focus, the United States finanical crisis is bad obviously, but not to the extent of the EU, as they have already recieved bailouts of a greater extent than what has been provided in the US. EU is honestly on a verge of a finanical crisis and a total economic failure collapse, the United States is in recession, quite a difference. Perhaps this article will update you on just how bad it is in the EU at this point --
    So in other words, you really just want to talk about the US on a thread about Europe....

    Quote Originally Posted by Amazed View Post
    You fail to understand that this is exactly what the greenies want...and I am free to voice my opinion in any manner I choose

    In this case common sense prevailed.....and common sense has NEVER been a strong suit of any greenie.
    So, you didn't double check your story, had your mistakes pointed out to you and it makes no difference - you still want to make the wrong point on the wrong thread.

    Oh boy...

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    The story was real, and continues to be what the greenies want.....you do comprehend that, don't you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    Yup, common sense tells us a thread on Europe invites opinion on matters pertaining to Europe... and if the thread is about cars in European cities it's plain sense to discuss cars in European cities......



    So in other words, you really just want to talk about the US on a thread about Europe....



    So, you didn't double check your story, had your mistakes pointed out to you and it makes no difference - you still want to make the wrong point on the wrong thread.

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    Re: EU to ban cars from cities by 2050

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    Yup, common sense tells us a thread on Europe invites opinion on matters pertaining to Europe... and if the thread is about cars in European cities it's plain sense to discuss cars in European cities......
    Well considering they were talking about the US I had to, lets not be ridiculous
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    Re: EU to ban cars from cities by 2050

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    I call bull****...

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    All this from the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety.
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    Re: EU to ban cars from cities by 2050

    Why do people keep bringing up that it will only ban fossil fuel cars like somehow that makes it worthy of support?

    Its still liberty out the window last I checked.

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    Re: EU to ban cars from cities by 2050

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Why do people keep bringing up that it will only ban fossil fuel cars like somehow that makes it worthy of support?

    Its still liberty out the window last I checked.
    Personally I dont want to ban fossil fuels.. but I do want to put high taxes on so that we can find alternatives quicker. Like it or not, oil prices will go up and up, and as of now the US population has not hit the "hurt" point for when they are demanding better fuel mileage and alternative fuel methods. That is why, I believe that government should be brave enough to think of the future and find any and all solutions in the near term rather than let the market slam us with it when suddenly oil is at 200 dollars a barrel and we have zero solution to the problem.
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    Re: EU to ban cars from cities by 2050

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Personally I dont want to ban fossil fuels.. but I do want to put high taxes on so that we can find alternatives quicker. Like it or not, oil prices will go up and up, and as of now the US population has not hit the "hurt" point for when they are demanding better fuel mileage and alternative fuel methods. That is why, I believe that government should be brave enough to think of the future and find any and all solutions in the near term rather than let the market slam us with it when suddenly oil is at 200 dollars a barrel and we have zero solution to the problem.

    The government being brave line is annoying first off. It isn't about bravely, nor is it ever. The government doing something is never about it bravely to do it, no, its only about its willingless to do it. Taxing something to bring in the money is something they're all but willing to do, bringing in a solution that they can choose and control is again all but something they are willing to do, avoiding a problem that they created is again something that they are all but willing to do. Bravely doesn't mean what you are implying and I would like it very much if you stopped using it in such ways.

    Second, the hurt point language is statist talk bull****. I don't want my actions decided on how much I'm forced to do it. I want to have the freedom to do what I want when I want, and not have to deal with someone taxing me because they don't approve of what I'm doing and would like it if I changed it. IF people want altertatives they can fund the research, start the business, and profit off it. If they don't and just want to enjoy the life we have now, so be it. We don't need government researching projects, forcing actions, punishing people, all for their goals.

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    Re: EU to ban cars from cities by 2050

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The government being brave line is annoying first off. It isn't about bravely, nor is it ever. The government doing something is never about it bravely to do it, no, its only about its willingless to do it.
    So you are saying, that a government that stands up to big business and says "stuff you" and forces regulation that improves mileage and many other things for the average citizen is not brave? In the US it would be the right thing to do but it would be political suicide, and hence brave. I would think that any government that improves the lives of its citizens despite certain powerful aspects of society saying no, is brave as hell to even try so.

    Taxing something to bring in the money is something they're all but willing to do, bringing in a solution that they can choose and control is again all but something they are willing to do, avoiding a problem that they created is again something that they are all but willing to do. Bravely doesn't mean what you are implying and I would like it very much if you stopped using it in such ways.
    Free speech.. suck it up. I am 100% correct. Your political establishment is in the pockets of big business that in no way what so ever would want better mileage or regulation that benefits consumers. Hell they are fighting to get rid of the EPA and other regulators, just so they can screw over the population even more.

    So yes ANY government that stands up to big business is brave as hell.

    Second, the hurt point language is statist talk bull****. I don't want my actions decided on how much I'm forced to do it. I want to have the freedom to do what I want when I want, and not have to deal with someone taxing me because they don't approve of what I'm doing and would like it if I changed it. IF people want altertatives they can fund the research, start the business, and profit off it. If they don't and just want to enjoy the life we have now, so be it. We don't need government researching projects, forcing actions, punishing people, all for their goals.
    LOL you seriously live on another planet then. No one is forcing you not to have a gas guzzling truck.. you just have to pay top dollar to have one, because you with your arrogance and selfishness are contributing relatively more to pollution, road damage and so on. Not to mention that people like you are one of the main reasons that the US has gone from 16 miles per gallon average mileage to 22 miles per gallon in 30+ years.... free market my ass.

    Also much research would not even happen if it was not for government funding in one way or another. The US would never have gone to the moon if it was not for government funding. The Internet would not be around if it was not for government funding. The list goes on and on.

    The point is that in Europe in the late 1970s the politicians decided after one of the worst oil crisis ever, that European countries would not be hit as hard again. Hence they put in mandatory mileage requirements and have raised them year after year. Sure the car companies complained and still do, but if they want to sell cars in Europe, then they need to innovate and improve their cars. No way in HELL they would have done that on their own with 20 dollar a barrel oil or even 100 dollar a barrel oil. The profit margins on providing ****ty low mileage cars would be too great. I am very glad that my politicians said "stuff you" to the oil and car companies and that now my 10 year old VW goes double the average mileage of the average modern day American car. It saves me a ton of money every year... and that is what it is all about.. not how many cup holders or people with fat asses that can be in a car or if the rims look cool or not.
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    Re: EU to ban cars from cities by 2050

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Why do people keep bringing up that it will only ban fossil fuel cars like somehow that makes it worthy of support?

    Its still liberty out the window last I checked.
    Cities in Europe generally have several hundred years of history going on, in streets clogged with far too much traffic they were never designed for. Transit times in London, for example, have gone down in the last hundred years. Having a "congestion zone" with a tax for using the city centre has helped a little, but an outright ban on fossil fuel cars will have many benefits for everyone from drivers to people who like to breathe. There is no right to drive, so there is no loss of liberty.
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    Re: EU to ban cars from cities by 2050

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Right! So, let's progress forward to the 15th Century.
    I think its about pushing toward the 22nd century. We Americans should try some of this as well, and stop of fixation with the 20th century. I am not sure what the objection is to a shift to electric cars, our dependance on gasoline hasn't worked out all that well as of late.

    The transit system in Europe, particularly inter-city trains is impressive.

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