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    Re: kill team used body parts in poker games

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    War Trophies

    You really think taking photos of dead bodies and human remains is acceptable by law??? The military confiscated the photos before it was a murder investigation, and before they knew the people were murdered.

    They had a video clip called "motorcycle kill" and they claimed they were killing members of the Taliban. It didn't matter if the were Taliban or not, the military took the videos and photos and told them to stop trading them...
    Care to show me the text from an actual regulation that proves that the taking of body parts as trophies and are left in country upon DEROS is illegal? Or, are you just going to keep spouting crap?

    BTW, do you even know what DEROS stands for? Without googling it, I mean. Prolly not, huh?

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    Re: kill team used body parts in poker games

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, to prove me wrong, you're going to post a link to a Rolling Stone article?
    It details the laws they broke and quotes members of the military...

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    Re: kill team used body parts in poker games

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Ohhhhh, I see! That regulation. Ok, well, that regulation pertains to, "souvenirs", that are being sent home and not specifically to souvenirs that are taken, then left in country. Wanna try again, to show us where the taking of souvenirs is illegal?
    The order makes no mention of transporting souvenirs across international boundaries. It clearly uses the word "acquire," which means they shouldn't be having them, period.

    Also, SSgt. Gibbs is being charged with possession of mutilated body parts taken from his kills, which clearly wouldn't be possible unless it was a criminal offense.

    In addition, Federal Law governs military law (in other words, the UCMJ is part of the US Code). It is a federal offense to be in possession of human remains, and this also applies to military personnel.
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    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: kill team used body parts in poker games

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    It details the laws they broke and quotes members of the military...
    And it's still just an article from ****ing Rolling Stone. Do they cite any sources? 'Cuz, if not, it nothing more than an op-ed.

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    Re: kill team used body parts in poker games

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Care to show me the text from an actual regulation that proves that the taking of body parts as trophies and are left in country upon DEROS is illegal? Or, are you just going to keep spouting crap?

    BTW, do you even know what DEROS stands for? Without googling it, I mean. Prolly not, huh?
    No I don't, but you asked me to show you why I said what I did... I gave you two sources and you're not happy... I am not spouting off a bunch of crap. So far, you're the only spouting off a bunch of bull****, saying I hate the troops, and now you're sending me a chase. If you have a point to make then make it... prove me wrong. You think you know so much more than I. You're claiming you can take photos of war casualties and trade them inside the military, then back your bull**** up because I am done sending you links. You were in the military, and you claim superior knowledge, then go ahead and prove yourself.

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    Re: kill team used body parts in poker games

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    The order makes no mention of transporting souvenirs across international boundaries. It clearly uses the word "acquire," which means they shouldn't be having them, period.

    Also, SSgt. Gibbs is being charged with possession of mutilated body parts taken from his kills, which clearly wouldn't be possible unless it was a criminal offense.

    In addition, Federal Law governs military law (in other words, the UCMJ is part of the US Code). It is a federal offense to be in possession of human remains, and this also applies to military personnel.
    Actually, the order refers specifically to transporting trophies home, most specifically it pertains to weapons and ordinance.

    It doesn't say anything about possessing war trophies, in theater. Do you even know what, "in theater", means? It doesn't mean a picture show.

    Care to keep trying?

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    Re: kill team used body parts in poker games

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    And it's still just an article from ****ing Rolling Stone. Do they cite any sources? 'Cuz, if not, it nothing more than an op-ed.
    Military personnel are sources... they are the ones making the claims, not rolling stone

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    Re: kill team used body parts in poker games

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Actually, the order refers specifically to transporting trophies home, most specifically it pertains to weapons and ordinance.

    It doesn't say anything about possessing war trophies, in theater. Do you even know what, "in theater", means? It doesn't mean a picture show.

    Care to keep trying?
    My mistake you are correct.

    Edit: On reading that particular clause over again, there is this particular quote. I don't think it only applies to souvenirs being sent home:

    Absent such express authorization, no weapon, munitions, or military article of equipment obtained or acquired by any means other than official issue may be retained for personal use or shipped out of the USCENTCOM AOR for personal retention.
    The phrase "may be retained for personal use" tells me that the order is clearly referring to trophies acquired in-theater, otherwise the fallowing phrase "shipped out of the USCENTCOM AOR" would not be necessary.
    Last edited by StillBallin75; 03-28-11 at 11:46 PM.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: kill team used body parts in poker games

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    No I don't, but you asked me to show you why I said what I did... I gave you two sources and you're not happy... I am not spouting off a bunch of crap. So far, you're the only spouting off a bunch of bull****, saying I hate the troops, and now you're sending me a chase. If you have a point to make then make it... prove me wrong. You think you know so much more than I.
    DEROS stands for, Date Elligible to Return from Overseas".

    You're claiming you can take photos of war casualties and trade them inside the military, then back your bull**** up because I am done sending you links. You were in the military, and you claim superior knowledge, then go ahead and prove yourself.
    You never provided any links that prove me wrong and I can't prove a negative, so you have no other option but to admit that you're totally full of dooty.
    Last edited by apdst; 03-28-11 at 11:40 PM.

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    Re: kill team used body parts in poker games

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    My mistake you are correct.
    It's all good, bro.

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