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kill team used body parts in poker games

dontworrybehappy said:
Translation: we need to paint the entire us military in a bad light when two or three soldiers go whacky.

Where were you in saying all the stories of good about our military NEED to be told? Sounds like an anti American military hater to me. And I don't respect those people.
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complete nonsense. only an idiot would suggest that the actions of those few represent the entire U.S. military.

turn a blind eye and remain silent if that's what floats your boat. i always thought that patriotism has never been blind allegiance to people or policy. it's loyalty to an ideal - to principle. if you feel that an injustice has been committed, or ideals or principles have been betrayed, you should speak out in defense of them and speak out to preserve what you feel is great and speak out because of what you love about the country.

hating America is remaining silent. hating America is defending and excusing such actions.
 
Serenity said:
complete nonsense. only an idiot would suggest that the actions of those few represent the entire U.S. military.

turn a blind eye and remain silent if that's what floats your boat. i always thought that patriotism has never been blind allegiance to people or policy. it's loyalty to an ideal - to principle. if you feel that an injustice has been committed, or ideals or principles have been betrayed, you should speak out in defense of them and speak out to preserve what you feel is great and speak out because of what you love about the country.

hating America is remaining silent. hating America is defending and excusing such actions.
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Liberalism is full-a-idiots. They've proven that.

How many Libbos start feel good threads about our troops? None, huh?
 
Kandahar said:
The Taliban could make a similar rationale for their atrocities.
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ric27 said:
If Taliban he/she can't hit what he/she ****ing wants to shoot from 0m to 300m (or beyond), then the Taliban is NOT a ****ing Warrior.

**** 'em
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So then, you're saying that the only difference between US soldiers and the Taliban is that one is better trained than the other? :shock:
 
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You're translating abilities are seriously lacking. And I don't for a minute think that because of a few bad apples, an organization of working people as a whole is corrupt. Like ACORN, Planned Parenthood, and NPR.

Oh, wait....
 
Kandahar said:
So then, you're saying that the only difference between US soldiers and the Taliban is that one is better trained than the other? :shock:
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Of course you're going to see it that way.
 
dontworrybehappy said:
Translation: we need to paint the entire us military in a bad light when two or three soldiers go whacky.

Where were you in saying all the stories of good about our military NEED to be told? Sounds like an anti American military hater to me. And I don't respect those people.
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You and apdst need to reign it in real quick with the moronic partisanship and blind nationalism.

If holding our military to a high standard somehow translates to blind hatred of all those in the military then you are truly delusional. As someone with numerous loved ones who are veterans or are currently serving right now, every time I see a report of some sociopath bringing shame and dishonor to us as a country (yes, our military often acts to represent us) I want the ones responsible prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

Caring about the armed forces doesn't mean always defending any member of them, no matter what. It means making sure that people aren't allowed to turn armed service into something to be ashamed of.

So stop trying to turn this despicable act into a soapbox to bash Liberals and show some respect for our armed forces.
 
TheBook said:
You and apdst need to reign it in real quick with the moronic partisanship and blind nationalism.

If holding our military to a high standard somehow translates to blind hatred of all those in the military then you are truly delusional. As someone with numerous loved ones who are veterans or are currently serving right now, every time I see a report of some sociopath bringing shame and dishonor to us as a country (yes, our military often acts to represent us) I want the ones responsible prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

Caring about the armed forces doesn't mean always defending any member of them, no matter what. It means making sure that people aren't allowed to turn armed service into something to be ashamed of.

So stop trying to turn this despicable act into a soapbox to bash Liberals and show some respect for our armed forces.
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If you read enough threads here you'll realize that they do this in every single one of them.
 
TheBook said:
You and apdst need to reign it in real quick with the moronic partisanship and blind nationalism.

If holding our military to a high standard somehow translates to blind hatred of all those in the military then you are truly delusional. As someone with numerous loved ones who are veterans or are currently serving right now, every time I see a report of some sociopath bringing shame and dishonor to us as a country (yes, our military often acts to represent us) I want the ones responsible prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

Caring about the armed forces doesn't mean always defending any member of them, no matter what. It means making sure that people aren't allowed to turn armed service into something to be ashamed of.

So stop trying to turn this despicable act into a soapbox to bash Liberals and show some respect for our armed forces.
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I've said, numerous times on this and other threads, that these troops should be tried and if found guilty, sentenced to death. That is the standard.

It would take a completely uninformed, moronic, uneducated, over-sheltered, idiotic imbecile to think that any other crime existed, here.
 
Deuce said:
If you read enough threads here you'll realize that they do this in every single one of them.
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A perfect illustration of what I describe in post #33.
 
apdst said:
I've said, numerous times on this and other threads, that these troops should be tried and if found guilty, sentenced to death. That is the standard.

It would take a completely uninformed, moronic, uneducated, over-sheltered, idiotic imbecile to think that any other crime existed, here.
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And what you just said had nothing to do with his point...
 
StillBallin75 said:
And what you just said had nothing to do with his point...
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Nice evasion of the point.

May I remind you of the thread's title? Thanks, in advance, as usual.

" kill team used body parts in poker game".
 
apdst said:
Nice evasion of the point.

May I remind you of the thread's title? Thanks, in advance, as usual.

" kill team used body parts in poker game".
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Book's basic point was that saying that this story needs to be told =/= liberals hating the military. You failed to address that.
 
Middleground said:
There's an excellent piece in The Rolling Stone that touches on this. Here's the excerpt:



I strongly urge all to read this. It's long but worth the read.

The Kill Team | Rolling Stone Politics
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I read the article, it did help me understand... it sounds like some bad apples were in the military and it was not entirely because a psychological breakdown. That's what it sounded like anyway... some good people were caught in the middle too.
 
StillBallin75 said:
Book's basic point was that saying that this story needs to be told =/= liberals hating the military. You failed to address that.
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If not, then why not stop at these dudes committing murder? How many times do you have to be told that taking pics and trophies is irrelevant? Seriously!
 
Middleground said:
While true that feel good stories have less importance in our news, this story needs to be told. And you as a vet should want to see that justice gets served in order to preserve the honour of your armed forces. I am surprised not to see that from you.
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I agree the story needs to get out.. it sounds like some people tried to do the right thing and report what was happen, but it wasn't properly investigated.
 
OscarB63 said:
this dirtbag kid is going to spend the better part of his life in a military prison and when he gets out, his life will suck big time at some minimum wage job and a crappy apartment.
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But he murdered 3 innocent people... and that begs the question, will he be a threat to society? Will he be capable of murdering somebody for fun again?

*When you read the article, it's really disturbing.. It sounds like he did it out of boredom and for fun.
 
apdst said:
If not, then why not stop at these dudes committing murder? How many times do you have to be told that taking pics and trophies is irrelevant? Seriously!
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Most of us are talking about the whole incident in general, not just the body part thing. Regardless, I recall Oscar saying that keeping body parts is against regs.
 
SheWolf said:
But he murdered 3 innocent people... and that begs the question, will he be a threat to society? Will he be capable of murdering somebody for fun again?

*When you read the article, it's really disturbing.. It sounds like he did it out of boredom and for fun.
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All the more reason he should be sentenced to death. Do you support that?
 
apdst said:
As a veteran, I want justice be served for the illegal killing of non-combatants. I could give a **** if they cut off fingers and took pictures. Both of those acts are totally irrelevant.
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It's not irrelevant... Read the Rolling Stone article. Taking photos of human causalities and trading them is forbidden by the US military.
 
StillBallin75 said:
Most of us are talking about the whole incident in general, not just the body part thing.
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If that were the case, you would restrict your posts to the thread actually about the killings, vice the thread about the taking of body parts as trophies.

I recall Oscar saying that keeping body parts is against regs.
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Granted, I've been out of the service for 10 years, but I don't recall that regulation. Even if such a regulation exists, it probably isn't a court martial offense.
 
SheWolf said:
I am not sure, but it's valid to discuss..
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Let's discuss it in the thread concerning the actual killings. How's that sound? Rather than further demonizing American service members.
 
apdst said:
As a veteran, I want justice be served for the illegal killing of non-combatants. I could give a **** if they cut off fingers and took pictures. Both of those acts are totally irrelevant.
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and some still wonder why we have the reputation overseas as the Ugly American?

thank you for illustrating the concept perfectly.
 
SheWolf said:
It's not irrelevant... Read the Rolling Stone article. Taking photos of human causalities and trading them is forbidden by the US military.
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Oh? Care to cite the regulation that forbids such actions?

How much you wanna bet that you can't?

AND. regulation forbidding such actions, or not, I'll bet that it's not a courts martial offense.
 
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