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    Re: kill team used body parts in poker games

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The Taliban could make a similar rationale for their atrocities.
    what do you mean "could", they routinely do.
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    Re: kill team used body parts in poker games

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The Taliban could make a similar rationale for their atrocities.
    We prosecute ours.
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    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: kill team used body parts in poker games

    Is everybody just taking this story at face value?

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    Re: kill team used body parts in poker games

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    what do you mean "could", they routinely do.
    If your rationale is religious in nature then no other justification is really necessary, imho.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: kill team used body parts in poker games

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Is everybody just taking this story at face value?
    Is there another way to take it?
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: kill team used body parts in poker games

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    scalps anyone? body parts have been taken as war trophies from the dawn of time. scalps, ears, heads, fingers, penises, you name it and some where, some time in history, somebody has taken it as a trophy. the taking of body parts is not the disturbing part, the disturbing part is the intentional killing of innocents.
    The most disturbing part is the killing of innocents... but it's still very disturbing that they took the kid's pinky. A lot of serial killers also take body parts...

    I didn't know people did it in the army that much... is that even legal? It doesn't seem like you'd be allowed to take a body part home with you.

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    Re: kill team used body parts in poker games

    At least they should preserve it with alcohol or something...it seems disturbing to keep any body part, but keeping a rotten one sounds even weirder.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: kill team used body parts in poker games

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Those kids are just sick.

    It makes me wonder, if some of them joined the military just because they wanted to kill people... It's really hard to believe that they simply went crazy from being in a war zone, or that they didn't know this was wrong.

    What do you think?
    There's an excellent piece in The Rolling Stone that touches on this. Here's the excerpt:

    Before the military found itself short of troops in Afghanistan and Iraq, Morlock was the kind of bad-news kid whom the Army might have passed on. He grew up not far from Sarah Palin in Wasilla, Alaska; his sister hung out with Bristol, and Morlock played hockey against Track. In those days, he was constantly in trouble: getting drunk and into fights, driving without a license, leaving the scene of a serious car accident. Even after he joined the Army, Morlock continued to get into trouble. In 2009, a month before he deployed to Afghanistan, he was charged with disorderly conduct after burning his wife with a cigarette. After he arrived in Afghanistan, he did any drug he could get his hands on: opium, hash, Ambien, amitriptyline, flexeril, phenergan, codeine, trazodone.
    I strongly urge all to read this. It's long but worth the read.

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    Re: kill team used body parts in poker games

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    The most disturbing part is the killing of innocents... but it's still very disturbing that they took the kid's pinky. A lot of serial killers also take body parts...

    I didn't know people did it in the army that much... is that even legal? It doesn't seem like you'd be allowed to take a body part home with you.
    most people in today's army don't, and as far as I know, it is illegal. but it does have a long historical precedence.
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    Re: kill team used body parts in poker games

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    I think we waste too much time on stories like this and not enough time on stories of the heros and those who have fallen.
    While true that feel good stories have less importance in our news, this story needs to be told. And you as a vet should want to see that justice gets served in order to preserve the honour of your armed forces. I am surprised not to see that from you.
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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