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    Re: kill team used body parts in poker games

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Yea, it's such bull**** that the military convicted them, and sentenced one of them to 24 years.
    His point was that the soldiers featured in the "motorcycle kill" video/photos had literally nothing to do with the Kill Team, whereas RS made it look like they were related and in the same unit.
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    Re: kill team used body parts in poker games

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Yea, it's such bull**** that the military convicted them, and sentenced one of them to 24 years.
    I hope they're more guilty of a crime than the Haditha Marines. Remember how they were tried, convicted and sentenced, before the courts martial was even convened?

    I'm not saying these guys are innocent; especially since they've been tried and convicted. What I am saying, is that it's bull**** to try and attach every other incident in the theater of operations to this one squad of soldiers.

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    Re: kill team used body parts in poker games

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The fact that they were murdered makes them victims of war.
    Ohh please, now you're arguing that these murder victims fall under "war victims" in the DoD regulations... hysterical

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    Re: kill team used body parts in poker games

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Ohh please, now you're arguing that these murder victims fall under "war victims" in the DoD regulations... hysterical
    So, enemy KIA's are, "victims", now?

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    Re: kill team used body parts in poker games

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, enemy KIA's are, "victims", now?
    don't you know...everybody's a victim these days.
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    Re: kill team used body parts in poker games

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Those kids are just sick.

    It makes me wonder, if some of them joined the military just because they wanted to kill people... It's really hard to believe that they simply went crazy from being in a war zone, or that they didn't know this was wrong.

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    Re: kill team used body parts in poker games

    I would have lit up that motorcycle without hesitation.
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    Re: kill team used body parts in poker games

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I would need to study the case in more depth, but it seems like the difference was that Abu Ghraib was on a much larger scale and did not only involve members of the military but also various OGAs (Other Government Agencies) as well as civilian contractors specifically ordered by Rumsfeld to violate the Geneva Convention to torture prisoners.

    Not to mention that this was handled by the military before the news media caught hold of it, so there was no way the accusation could be made that no action was being taken.
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    Re: kill team used body parts in poker games

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    I would have lit up that motorcycle without hesitation.
    I'da probably took pics, like I was posing with a 12 point buck, too.

    I hadn't thought about it before Oscar brought it up, but these pics and vids are about the only way that troops have to prove that kills are legit. If it's left up to the word of the soliders against the word of the media, the soldiers typically lose out.
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    Re: kill team used body parts in poker games

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I'da probably took pics, like I was posing with a 12 point buck, too.

    I hadn't thought about it before Oscar brought it up, but these pics and vids are about the only way that troops have to prove that kills are legit. If it's left up to the word of the soliders against the word of the media, the soldiers typically lose out.



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