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    Re: kill team used body parts in poker games

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Yon was making a statement of fact.
    Which fact was that? That the motorcycle kill was legitimate? Nobody is even disputing that.
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    Re: kill team used body parts in poker games

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    IIRC Rolling Stone never said the motorcycle kill was not legitimate. The problem was with the sharing and distribution of the combat footage.
    If you looked at the photos from the link to Rolling Stone that Dana posted, the commentary next to the pics are anything but unbiased.
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    Re: kill team used body parts in poker games

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Which fact was that? That the motorcycle kill was legitimate? Nobody is even disputing that.
    Did you even read the material I provided you?

    I guess it's true, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.

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    Re: kill team used body parts in poker games

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    If you looked at the photos from the link to Rolling Stone that Dana posted, the commentary next to the pics are anything but unbiased.
    I looked at the photos. I agree that RS weaved the motorcycle kill into the entire story as a way to make it seem like there was a consistent culture of unnecessary violence, or lack of discipline, or whatever you want to call it. My point was that even if you take the motorcycle kill out of the story, it hardly makes the whole picture "bull****."
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: kill team used body parts in poker games

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Did you even read the material I provided you?

    I guess it's true, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.
    Yes, and I even went to the original source on Yon's page. What's your point?
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: kill team used body parts in poker games

    Rolling Stone specifically implecated these soldiers in a war crime.

    'Motorcycle Kill': | Rolling Stone Politics | Photos

    They specifically linked these troops with the "kill team" dickweeds. Yon's right, it's bull****. Where there's one bull**** story, there's probably another. Especially when RS tries to make a connecction between one of the kill team troops and Sarah Palin. How weak is that?

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    Re: kill team used body parts in poker games

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Rolling Stone specifically implecated these soldiers in a war crime.

    'Motorcycle Kill': | Rolling Stone Politics | Photos

    They specifically linked these troops with the "kill team" dickweeds. Yon's right, it's bull****. Where there's one bull**** story, there's probably another. Especially when RS tries to make a connecction between one of the kill team troops and Sarah Palin. How weak is that?
    I stand corrected. You are right. My reading comprehension was off.
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    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: kill team used body parts in poker games

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I stand corrected. You are right. My reading comprehension was off.
    You keep acting like a grownup and you're going to turn into a Conservative. Be careful.

    That being said, what Rolling Stone did, was take an actual crime and attempt to attach every other killing in Afghanistan to that group of soldiers, that it possibly could.
    Last edited by apdst; 03-30-11 at 02:38 AM.

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    Re: kill team used body parts in poker games

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You keep acting like a grownup and you're going to turn into a Conservative. Be careful.

    That being said, what Rolling Stone did, was take an actual crime and attempt to attach every other killing in Afghanistan to that group of soldiers, that it possibly could.
    LOL - Rolling Stone being 'real reporters' - the new 'Fair and Balanced *ting*'
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    Re: kill team used body parts in poker games

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Rolling Stone specifically implecated these soldiers in a war crime.

    'Motorcycle Kill': | Rolling Stone Politics | Photos

    They specifically linked these troops with the "kill team" dickweeds. Yon's right, it's bull****. Where there's one bull**** story, there's probably another. Especially when RS tries to make a connecction between one of the kill team troops and Sarah Palin. How weak is that?
    Yea, it's such bull**** that the military convicted them, and sentenced one of them to 24 years.
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