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    Re: kill team used body parts in poker games

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    complete nonsense. only an idiot would suggest that the actions of those few represent the entire U.S. military.

    turn a blind eye and remain silent if that's what floats your boat. i always thought that patriotism has never been blind allegiance to people or policy. it's loyalty to an ideal - to principle. if you feel that an injustice has been committed, or ideals or principles have been betrayed, you should speak out in defense of them and speak out to preserve what you feel is great and speak out because of what you love about the country.

    hating America is remaining silent. hating America is defending and excusing such actions.
    I believe you mean this Serenity. Unfortunately, though, this same argument has been used as an excuse to just bash the US and everything we do.
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    Re: kill team used body parts in poker games

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    But, I bet you can't prove that they do. Hell, you can't prove a goddamn thing else to support your argument.
    I tried to prove it, but you judged my sources without reading them... I am not going to go further down this path with you and this petty bullcrap. If you want to show me that I am wrong, then do so like a mature adult.

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    Re: kill team used body parts in poker games

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I tried to prove it, but you judged my sources without reading them... I am not going to go further down this path with you and this petty bullcrap. If you want to show me that I am wrong, then do so like a mature adult.
    Stillballin tried to prove it, too and I pointed out where he was wrong. He even admitted it. Now, you're still saying I'm am wrong?

    If you're all about acting like an adult, you can link me to the source that says it's illegal to take body parts as war trophies in the DOD regulations. Hell, you can use the Coast Guard regulations, for all I care.

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    Re: kill team used body parts in poker games

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Stillballin tried to prove it, too and I pointed out where he was wrong. He even admitted it. Now, you're still saying I'm am wrong?

    If you're all about acting like an adult, you can link me to the source that says it's illegal to take body parts as war trophies in the DOD regulations. Hell, you can use the Coast Guard regulations, for all I care.
    I am not saying you're wrong... I am not saying anybody is right, because I don't know. I know what I read in that source, which you won't even attempt to read. I am not going to take your word for it that you're right, and put my faith in that. It seems illegal to me to take photos of a dead body and trade them... If that were legal to take those photos, trade them, and have them in your possession, then I am sure a lot of people would be doing that and those photos would be pooping up on websites everywhere. The rolling stone article said it was illegal... That's all I know.

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    Re: kill team used body parts in poker games

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Stillballin tried to prove it, too and I pointed out where he was wrong. He even admitted it. Now, you're still saying I'm am wrong?

    If you're all about acting like an adult, you can link me to the source that says it's illegal to take body parts as war trophies in the DOD regulations. Hell, you can use the Coast Guard regulations, for all I care.
    On reading it again, I wonder how you would respond to this:

    There is this particular quote. I don't think it only applies to souvenirs being sent home:

    Absent such express authorization, no weapon, munitions, or military article of equipment obtained or acquired by any means other than official issue may be retained for personal use or shipped out of the USCENTCOM AOR for personal retention.
    The phrase "may be retained for personal use" tells me that the order is clearly referring to trophies acquired in-theater, otherwise the fallowing phrase "shipped out of the USCENTCOM AOR" would not be necessary.

    I'm not sure if I'm right or your wrong, apdst I'm just wondering what u think about this.
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    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: kill team used body parts in poker games

    And if it is legal to possess and trade those photos, then why would the military confiscate them from the soldiers and tell them to stop trading them before they knew the victims were murdered???

    Is there a regulation in the DOD that explains that?

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    Re: kill team used body parts in poker games

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    On reading it again, I wonder how you would respond to this:

    There is this particular quote. I don't think it only applies to souvenirs being sent home:



    The phrase "may be retained for personal use" tells me that the order is clearly referring to trophies acquired in-theater, otherwise the fallowing phrase "shipped out of the USCENTCOM AOR" would not be necessary.

    I'm not sure if I'm right or your wrong, apdst I'm just wondering what u think about this.
    From personal experience, that's not enforced. I mailed home an Iraqi army helmet and it now adorns the bar back of a little joint in Hammond, Louisiana. All without permission from the CENTCOM commander.

    I'm sure that our members that are Iraq and Afghanistan vets can attest to that.

    That's what I think about that.

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    Re: kill team used body parts in poker games

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    And if it is legal to possess and trade those photos, then why would the military confiscate them from the soldiers and tell them to stop trading them before they knew the victims were murdered???

    Is there a regulation in the DOD that explains that?
    I dunno...because it was a friggin' murder investigation?

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    Re: kill team used body parts in poker games

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I dunno...because it was a friggin' murder investigation?
    It wasn't a murder investigation yet... They shot some people and claimed it was the Taliban, there is no evidence that they were lying about that, and there still isn't.. They had a video of it that the military confiscated titled "Motocycle Kill" and the military told them to stop trading it and all other photos. None of them are under investigation for murdering those people and never were.

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    Re: kill team used body parts in poker games

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    From personal experience, that's not enforced. I mailed home an Iraqi army helmet and it now adorns the bar back of a little joint in Hammond, Louisiana. All without permission from the CENTCOM commander.

    I'm sure that our members that are Iraq and Afghanistan vets can attest to that.

    That's what I think about that.
    It sounds like you broke the rules...

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