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    Re: Energized Muslim Brotherhood in Libya eyes a prize

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    NATO = the U.S. is handling it.

    We're doing the bombing, and we're footing the bill.

    As always.
    Yes, we are a member nation, and we do take a lead role far too often, but that is still not the same as stepping outside those organizations and doing it all on our own.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Energized Muslim Brotherhood in Libya eyes a prize

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Yes, we are a member nation, and we do take a lead role far too often, but that is still not the same as stepping outside those organizations and doing it all on our own.
    We went into Iraq with a "coalition", too. It was multilateral until it got hard, and everybody bailed on us.

    Don't kid yourself. We're doing it, and we're PAYING oodles for it.

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    Re: Energized Muslim Brotherhood in Libya eyes a prize

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The UN has no force of its own, but only that of its members. so, for the UN to act, it needs to use member nation forces.
    Thanks for the elementary lesson that is stating the obvious. So tell me, how many member nations are there in the UN?

    One mission the UN should have is to stop rulers from killing large numbers of its civilian population.
    Iran
    Syria
    Bahrain
    Ivory Coast
    Somalia

    Why are you cherry picking? Does that mean that they aren't important?

    One mission neither the UN or the US should have is regime change.
    I had no idea tanks could fly.

    I makes a great deal of difference if an action is a UN action and not simply a US action.
    Why? you think the UN actions are noble, and the US actions are ignoble?

    And it makes a difference what the mission is.
    Obama at the moment says it is to remove Qadaffi duck from power. Is that what the SC voted to do?

    Now, this mission could be clearer. And it should be limited to merely stopping the killing of civilians.
    The beginnings of giving a pass are we?

    But regime change is up to the people of Libya and not the US or the UN.
    Do you think they'd have a shot in hell if it weren't for Obama taking out armor on the ground?

    We are not police of the world
    We are being used as such.

    or rulers of the world
    Who said anything about that? Not I...You should put down the far left pap.

    and should never see ourselfs as the ones who decides who rules any other country.
    Where are we doing that?

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    Re: Energized Muslim Brotherhood in Libya eyes a prize

    J, pay attention, no matter how many members are in the UN that you don't like, or who don't contribute, it does not change that it is a UN mission. Nor does it change that it is different than a US mission outside the UN and NATO.

    And I stated an opinion as to where our mission should not go. But, as to where have we done that, decide who rules a country or regime change, Iraq would fit that definition, as we decided it would not be Saddam. That is not our call. It was never our call. That always should ahve been up to the people of Iraq.

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    Re: Energized Muslim Brotherhood in Libya eyes a prize

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    J, pay attention, no matter how many members are in the UN that you don't like, or who don't contribute, it does not change that it is a UN mission. Nor does it change that it is different than a US mission outside the UN and NATO.

    And I stated an opinion as to where our mission should not go. But, as to where have we done that, decide who rules a country or regime change, Iraq would fit that definition, as we decided it would not be Saddam. That is not our call. It was never our call. That always should ahve been up to the people of Iraq.
    Alright, you pay attention pal, What do you think Obama is doing in Libya right now?

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    Re: Energized Muslim Brotherhood in Libya eyes a prize

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Alright, you pay attention pal, What do you think Obama is doing in Libya right now?

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    I'm not 100% sure, which is a concern. But so far it is within the UN and limited. If he choose to invade and change the regime, he will be wrong. This is up to the Libyian people and the US.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Energized Muslim Brotherhood in Libya eyes a prize

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I'm not 100% sure, which is a concern. But so far it is within the UN and limited. If he choose to invade and change the regime, he will be wrong.
    You sure about that? You don't know what he is doing 100% but you are sure it is within UN mandate? how is that?

    This is up to the Libyian people and the US.
    Oh, so Obama and the Libyans can make that choice and if they choose regime change you are perfectly ok with that, but let a repub do nearly the EXACT same thing and you are nothing but name calling and snotty vitriol...

    You make me chuckle dude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You sure about that? You don't know what he is doing 100% but you are sure it is within UN mandate? how is that?
    From the information we have, yes. What I don't know is what comes next.

    Oh, so Obama and the Libyans can make that choice and if they choose regime change you are perfectly ok with that, but let a repub do nearly the EXACT same thing and you are nothing but name calling and snotty vitriol...

    You make me chuckle dude.

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    J, go with what I said and not what you want to pretend I said. I clearly said Obama cannot decide that and ONLY the people of libya can.

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    Re: Energized Muslim Brotherhood in Libya eyes a prize

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    From the information we have, yes. What I don't know is what comes next.



    J, go with what I said and not what you want to pretend I said. I clearly said Obama cannot decide that and ONLY the people of libya can.

    Say something worth paying attention to then, instead of spinning, and BSing your way through life.

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    Re: Energized Muslim Brotherhood in Libya eyes a prize

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Say something worth paying attention to then, instead of spinning, and BSing your way through life.

    j-mac
    J, just because it isn't what you want said doesn't mean you shouldn't respond to what was actually said.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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