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Soldier gets 24 years for killing Afghan civilians

It's a war, and they should be given some leeway. I'm sick of this country bending over to kiss Muslim ass. For me to say any more could be construed as hate speach, and I won't go there. The Afghan people only have themselves to blame for the misery of their occupation. That's all I will say on the subject.

This comment is disgusting... A Muslim is still a human being. The crime shouldn't be given any leeway because it the victim was a Muslim.
 
It's a war, and they should be given some leeway.

Oh no, no, no. Don't fall into the trap of looking to defend the military for this.

These soldiers are unworthy of even the Army uniform. Just like their Abu-Ghraib counterparts, they have embarrassed the nation and they have set the efforts of their fellow soldiers in that province back through their behaviors (Not to mention the Marines that have been steadily taking over their positions as these events occur). Another poster here on this thread mentioned that this is something that should be investigated wider in the chain. I would submit that since this is not the first time soldiers have misrepresented the nation and behaved in this fashion that this may be something that civilians may want to start asking questions about. From frat party hazing in a prison in Iraq, to murdering civilians for the sake of murder, to shooting up the Qu'ran, to treason, and to purposefully insulting Afghani leaders in meetings, the Army's discipline problems are not so much an individual effort. Considering that this is the branch that brought you the Mai Lai slaughter in Vietnam, not much has changed has it? Why?

Instead of going after the never ending supply of untrained unproffessionals that keep turning up, maybe its time to demand better from the institution itself.
 
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US soldier gets 24 years for murders of 3 Afghans - The Washington Post

Guy has dishonored the uniform. Glad to see justice being served.
I heard of the case but haven't read up on it.

Based on the little I know, I'm surprised it was this light. As prosecutor I'd have taken no plea, and gone for execution. If they had the evidence, that would have been just and justice. This comes across poorly and it could come at a cost to soldiers on the ground.

MSgt: nobody died at Abu Graib, and what was equally disgusting was how the Leftists exploited it for political gain. It was an endless putrid parade in an attempt to bring down Bush and destroy Rummy.

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I heard of the case but haven't read up on it.

Based on the little I know, I'm surprised it was this light. As prosecutor I'd have taken no plea, and gone for execution. If they had the evidence, that would have been just and justice. This comes across poorly and it could come at a cost to soldiers on the ground.

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They needed his testimony against the other guys. I realize some people think the sentence is too light. I am on the fence on that issue. However I will make the following points.

1) I do think if he serves his full term and gets out, that the rest of his life will be pretty miserable. That's plenty of punishment in and of itself.
2) If he is paroled and gets out after 7 yrs I would have a problem with that.
 
MSgt: nobody died at Abu Graib.

Wrong.

Abu Ghraib torture and prisoner abuse - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Beginning in 2004, accounts of physical, psychological, and sexual abuse, including torture,[1][2] rape,[1] sodomy,[2] and homicide[3] of prisoners held in the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq (also known as Baghdad Correctional Facility) came to public attention. These acts were committed by military police personnel of the United States Army together with additional US governmental agencies.[4]

The prisoner Manadel al-Jamadi died in Abu Ghraib prison after being interrogated and tortured by a CIA officer and a private contractor. The torture included physical violence and strappado hanging, whereby the victim is hung from the wrists with the hands tied behind the back. His death has been labeled a homicide by the US military,[7] but neither of the two men who caused his death have been charged. The private contractor was granted qualified immunity.[8]

That is what happens when you try to turn reservists into prison guards.

and what was equally disgusting was how the Leftists exploited it for political gain.

I won't deny that the Abu Ghraib incidents were used for political purposes, but the outrage at what went on there is completely justified.

It was an endless parade in an attempt to bring down Bush and destroy Rummy.

Rumsfeld is up there with McNamara as one of the worst SecDefs of all time. Nobody from either side of the aisle should be defending how he handled America's foreign policy.
 
It is a shame and disgraceful to see these men to dishonor the uniform that so many take seriously.
 
That is not justice, that is a whitewash and will be seen as such by the people of Afghanistan.

24 year prison sentence is not enough?
 
It's a war, and they should be given some leeway. I'm sick of this country bending over to kiss Muslim ass. For me to say any more could be construed as hate speach, and I won't go there. The Afghan people only have themselves to blame for the misery of their occupation. That's all I will say on the subject.

The Afghan people have nothing to do with the occupation, most of them don't have any access to information, if you don't want to say anymore that's fine I'm not trying to drag you out but this needed to be said.
 
24 year prison sentence is not enough?

To be frank no. He should have been judged after local law and not the corrupt US military justice system. Hence it is a whitewash.
 
To be frank no. He should have been judged after local law and not the corrupt US military justice system. Hence it is a whitewash.

after local law???? that's a ****ing laugh. they'd have probably let him go, since he didn't kill a camel or wasn't a homosexual.
 
I see some people here who believe that capital punishment is barbaric, that seem to want this guy to be capitally punished.

I'm fine with putting this guy on the firing line myself. Time to start making examples.
 
after local law???? that's a ****ing laugh. they'd have probably let him go, since he didn't kill a camel or wasn't a homosexual.

He would have been executed for murder. THAT would be justice for what he did.
 
I see some people here who believe that capital punishment is barbaric, that seem to want this guy to be capitally punished.

I'm fine with putting this guy on the firing line myself. Time to start making examples.

Capital punishment is barbaric, but I personally believe if the person is 10000% guilty as this guy was (he admitted it), then it would be the correct punishment. The problem with capital punishment is that the legal system is not perfect. In this case there was no doubt what so ever it seems, hence capital punishment would have been the appropriate solution.

On top of that, we can not go away from the fact that what the US (and others for that matter) are doing, is impose their laws on situation in other countries. This scum murdered people in another country and should suffer the appropriate punishment in said country. Instead he will live 24 years (less probably) for doing murders he admitting doing. And that pisses me off.
 
Capital punishment is barbaric, but I personally believe if the person is 10000% guilty as this guy was (he admitted it), then it would be the correct punishment. The problem with capital punishment is that the legal system is not perfect. In this case there was no doubt what so ever it seems, hence capital punishment would have been the appropriate solution.
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In most cases there usually isn't any doubt. That crazy ass kid in Arizona should be dead by now in a perfect world, but people still don't want him to be capitally punished because "the system isn't perfect"(as if any system is) despite the fact there were several witnesses, and there is no doubt he was responsible.
 
Those have to be the two shortest replies by MSgt in the history of DP.
 
To be frank no. He should have been judged after local law and not the corrupt US military justice system. Hence it is a whitewash.

Yeah, nevermind his civil rights; throw that **** out the window.
 
My buddy covers me, I cover him.....I would never rat on my buddy

Period
 
No, not yet. Not to mention, we don't see near as much hooplah about his crimes as we do about this ****.

He is currently awaiting trial in total isolation with no clothes or bed. Legally speaking it would be difficult to find a more extreme form of containment without outright human rights violations.
 
He is currently awaiting trial in total isolation with no clothes or bed. Legally speaking it would be difficult to find a more extreme form of containment without outright human rights violations.

But, not currently being prosecuted. Yes?
 
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