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    Re: Soldier gets 24 years for killing Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    But, not currently being prosecuted. Yes?
    He is currently being held and awaiting a hearing. He will almost certainly be prosecuted when that time comes.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Soldier gets 24 years for killing Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    To be frank no. He should have been judged after local law and not the corrupt US military justice system. Hence it is a whitewash.
    I'm sure the locals would be happy to behead them.
    Death is the standard punishment for any crime in those parts, after all.

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    Re: Soldier gets 24 years for killing Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    He is currently being held and awaiting a hearing. He will almost certainly be prosecuted when that time comes.
    I'm sure that time will come, after the higher-ups that fed him the info have sufficiently covered their asses.

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    Re: Soldier gets 24 years for killing Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    But he will go on trial.

    Which makes these two statements bull.





    The Commies, the Commies!

    It's 2011 bro.
    When his trial starts, you be sure and let us know. K'sport?

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    Re: Soldier gets 24 years for killing Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I'm sure that time will come, after the higher-ups that fed him the info have sufficiently covered their asses.
    lol u think this went up the chain of command? Kid was a hacker...Maybe there was some negligence involved but I highly doubt anyone fed him data.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Soldier gets 24 years for killing Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    lol u think this went up the chain of command? Kid was a hacker...Maybe there was some negligence involved but I highly doubt anyone fed him data.
    There ain't no way that a private--no matter what hacker skills he has--was privy to that much information.

    I bet you actually believe a simple Lt. Colonel ramrodded the Iran-Contra deal, too. Am I right?

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    Re: Soldier gets 24 years for killing Afghan civilians

    I would like to point out in a war where any civilian can turn into the enemy by going inside, putting down his gardening tool, picking up his AK-47 and coming back outside and shooting at our troops, I would hesitate to call people "innocent civilians."

    The reason I bring this up is because this war is not a typical one where you have one army dressed in one type of clothing vs another army in another color outfit with civilians on both sides dressed only in civilian clothing. You have civilians, who will talk to you all nice one minute, and blow your head off the next. Tolerate that for 8 years and you've got a ripe situation for "innocent" people to get killed, just to revenge the killing of soldiers by these so called "innocents" who lost their innocence when they picked up their rifles.

    Does it excuse the behavior? Of course not. But I'm not about making excuses, just understanding why someone would do such a thing. Thank goodness this isn't the norm as it is in muslim nations.
    Last edited by dontworrybehappy; 03-28-11 at 11:27 PM.

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    Re: Soldier gets 24 years for killing Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by The Preacher View Post
    Death is the standard punishment for any crime in those parts, after all.
    Again...not true.

    You confuse the Taliban culture, which has been an influence since the Soviet/Afghani war, with the longer history of the Afghani culture. I don't blame you entirely. Though you could simply read a book or two on the subject, this celebrated ignorance has been a Leftist and a Rightist phenomena. Assuming that today equals hundreds to thousands of years of Afghani culture is a phenomena not only presented to you by the sensational hungry media, but also the voter hungry politician. So between flipping channels from Star Seacrh (or whatever the reality fascination is today) and your most cherished news media station, you have no idea what the standard punishment for anything in this region is, much less the Afghani culture.

    Here's you first clue into enlightenment......did you know that in the 1960s that Afghanistan supplied the world with only 1% of the heroin trade with a much more emphasis on fruit exportation? And that today they supply 90% percent of the world's heroin with no fruit to speak of? What changed? Gaining the answers to this question would enlighten you into what is "standard" in these cultures.

    The intentional murder of civilians for the sake of murdering civilians is unacceptable. It is an unlawful order, which means that it is not only unacceptable to give, but unacceptable to follow. It is against the good morailty of our military. Don't get caught throwing away the vast majority of our uniformed personnel for the sake of defending the pieces of garbage that should be cut from the cloth. Doing so not only gives our Euopean haters their masturbation material, but also undermines our efforts. No good comes from defending what you know is wrong.

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    Re: Soldier gets 24 years for killing Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    There ain't no way that a private--no matter what hacker skills he has--was privy to that much information.

    I bet you actually believe a simple Lt. Colonel ramrodded the Iran-Contra deal, too. Am I right?
    Since when does a Lib fail to accuse Reagan of anything...but if you have any evidence that higher-ups were involved feel free to share.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Soldier gets 24 years for killing Afghan civilians

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Since when does a Lib fail to accuse Reagan of anything...but if you have any evidence that higher-ups were involved feel free to share.
    If I did, it would already have been posted. For now, I only have the fact that NO Army private has access to that much high level material.

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