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Abercrombie criticized for selling push-up tops to little girls

The parents are certainly by far the most responsible party. That said, they are not the only responsible party. Abercrombie has a choice about whether to design and sell clothes that sexualize children. They are complicit the moment they decide to do evil in return for 20 pieces of silver.
Again. It is NOT Abercrombie's fault. They were complicit because there was money to be made. That is what a business does. If you don't like it. Don't try to blame them but find something that would match with what you agree.
 
So you think living in an inner city, whatever that is, makes a girl a slut?

No matter where the family lives the parents are responsible to teach their kids values.

If the girl isn't taught the golden rule about life, she will turn out bad.
Whats the golden rule about life?
 
Or...we have different experiences. Why do some people never consider that other people just have different experiences? Why is it that other people have to be living in another reality? Ridiculous.

Please tell me how many cases comprise your experiences. Are you saying you have not seen single mothers that cannot control their daughters?

If a daughter can do math at all, and the mother had the girl early, how can the mother then tell the daughter not to engage in sexual activity when she did herself. She loses all credibility.

Do you think a single mother has a better chance to control the daughter or a strong father figure?

It is well known, the boy wants to please the mother while the girl strives to please the father. She doesn't want to let him down. If he is not there, she is more likely to go wild, looking for a male influence to take care of her.

It is not that hard to understand.
 
You can't really fault them for trying to sell a product. Though who ever came up with the idea could probably use a little professional attention. My problem would be with the parent that allows their kid to wear it.
 
Whats the golden rule about life?

Girls need to be taught to never make a decision that will affect the rest of their life.

A choice to have sex can get her pregnant or she can get a disease, that will affect the rest of her life.

If she decides to take drugs, she can get hooked or die, that can affect the rest of her life.

If she decides to drop out of school, that will affect the rest of her life.

That needs to be drilled into her head about the time she is 12 or 13.

It works beleive me.
 
I know this won't be politically correct, I don't give a ****, but if there is a strong father figure in the home, I don't think a girl would even try to wear sluttly clothes. She wouldn't get away with it.

The mother has no standing to tell the daughter not to do it as she probably did it too, and then you get into the argument of do as I say not as I do. That doesn't work with kids.

I realize fathers have been discarded buy feminists but for the most part, the most well adjusted kids I have known have come from homes with strong father figures in them.

All this does is broadcast your ignorance and lack of experience. The best people I know (morally, spiritually, however you want to classify it) were all raised by single parents. Some mothers, some fathers. I myself am the product of a single-parent household and I'd consider myself a reasonably well-adjusted member of society. Most of the people that I know who are REALLY messed up psychologically come from more restrictive or repressive households, typically with two parents.

it has been my experience, teaching at an inner city public school, that most of the time....they do. :shrug:

I'd say this more reflects on the kinds of single parents who send their children to inner city public schools.
 
I don't think this is something that should be banned. What I find sad is that there is enough interest in parents buying this sort of clothing for their children that it actually elicited a market response. That's what's sad.

I agree. What ever happened to dressing little girls like little girls, instead of miniatures of their moms or the current sex symbol? Now babies get their ears pierced and are allowed to wear make-up as soon as they want to.
I agree, the problem with little kids dressing like adults is in the hands of the parents. They need to put their foot down and not just go along with crowd.
Still, push up padded bikini's for children is borderline child porn in my opinion.
 
All this does is broadcast your ignorance and lack of experience. The best people I know (morally, spiritually, however you want to classify it) were all raised by single parents. Some mothers, some fathers. I myself am the product of a single-parent household and I'd consider myself a reasonably well-adjusted member of society. Most of the people that I know who are REALLY messed up psychologically come from more restrictive or repressive households, typically with two parents.



I'd say this more reflects on the kinds of single parents who send their children to inner city public schools.

I am neither ignorant nor have a lack of experience.

I am talking about the teenage years.

Most grow out of it, which you are saying but you cannot deny that during the hard rebel years, it is very hard for a single mother to control a teenage daughter especially when the mother had made the same mistakes.
 
Please tell me how many cases comprise your experiences. Are you saying you have not seen single mothers that cannot control their daughters?

If a daughter can do math at all, and the mother had the girl early, how can the mother then tell the daughter not to engage in sexual activity when she did herself. She loses all credibility.

Do you think a single mother has a better chance to control the daughter or a strong father figure?

It is well known, the boy wants to please the mother while the girl strives to please the father. She doesn't want to let him down. If he is not there, she is more likely to go wild, looking for a male influence to take care of her.

It is not that hard to understand.

I think a strong parent has a better chance of influencing their child. I've seen fathers and mothers who have zero positive impact on their children and I've seen single mother and father who have had a great impact on them. One of my good friends was raised by a single mother and she is the farthest thing from a slut you could imagine.

I haven't made any generalizations. You have. And when you starting making generalizations like "women can't teach their daughters", you are the one with problem. I've never heard that generalizations and sexist comments are good signs of parenting.
 
Girls need to be taught to never make a decision that will affect the rest of their life.

A choice to have sex can get her pregnant or she can get a disease, that will affect the rest of her life.

If she decides to take drugs, she can get hooked or die, that can affect the rest of her life.

If she decides to drop out of school, that will affect the rest of her life.

That needs to be drilled into her head about the time she is 12 or 13.

It works beleive me.

Don't you think those same rules apply to guys? Or are guys expected to be **** ups?
 
I agree. What ever happened to dressing little girls like little girls, instead of miniatures of their moms or the current sex symbol? Now babies get their ears pierced and are allowed to wear make-up as soon as they want to.
I agree, the problem with little kids dressing like adults is in the hands of the parents. They need to put their foot down and not just go along with crowd.
Still, push up padded bikini's for children is borderline child porn in my opinion.

You should have seen the face of my girlfriends cousin when I told her she can't wear make-up before she is 16. She had a cow.

I told her make-up is only to attract attention of the opposite sex and she didn't want that before she was 16. Her single mother agrees but can't control what she does so now at almost 15 she is wearing make-up every day, and I mean a lot of it.
 
Don't you think those same rules apply to guys? Or are guys expected to be **** ups?

The guys need to be taught that too, but I think it is more important with girls. Girls make the decisions where sex is concerned and they take home the consequence. You would be surprised how simple this rule makes things for kids, if they follow it.

Girls are taught to look pretty and be cute but very little is put into intelligence and values.

For example, every time I was at my ex-girlfriends house, she had a lot of nieces, the girls would come through the door and they would only be told how cute they were. Nobody ever asked how they were doing in school or ask them if they needed any help.
 
Again. It is NOT Abercrombie's fault. They were complicit because there was money to be made. That is what a business does. If you don't like it. Don't try to blame them but find something that would match with what you agree.

So should the guys who run guns into Africa get a pass because they "just doing business". Selling products specifically designed to sexualize children is wrong and any corporation who chooses to do should be treated with contempt. You you accept money if someone paid you to design a slutty dress for 5 year olds?
 
The guys need to be taught that too, but I think it is more important with girls. Girls make the decisions where sex is concerned and they take home the consequence. You would be surprised how simple this rule makes things for kids, if they follow it.

Girls are taught to look pretty and be cute but very little is put into intelligence and values.

For example, every time I was at my ex-girlfriends house, she had a lot of nieces, the girls would come through the door and they would only be told how cute they were. Nobody ever asked how they were doing in school or ask them if they needed any help.

That is so sad. Did you at least ask them that?

Those girls are going to grow up looking for bad boys....
 
So you think living in an inner city, whatever that is, makes a girl a slut?

No matter where the family lives the parents are responsible to teach their kids values.

If the girl isn't taught the golden rule about life, she will turn out bad.

I went to an inner city school for a little bit, and it was a rough school. There is an entirely differently culture in inner city schools, as opposed to private and good suburban schools. A lot of it is the parenting... I saw a lot of pregnant teens in that school and there was fairly large student population with HIV, considering that didn't exist in any other school I went to.
 
I've spent some time at an elementary school lately. Scary how mature some of those little girls are looking. I saw some fourth graders who actually need bras. Remember the Brooke Shields ads for Calvin Klein. Dang, remember the Brook Shields movie, PRETTY BABY??

Interesting times. It's nice there are still some who object to this kind of stuff.

I know a 10 yr old (4th grade) she already needs, and wears a bra to school and out in public. Her mom is pretty careful about the way she lets her dress. Wish more were like her.
 
Again. It is NOT Abercrombie's fault. They were complicit because there was money to be made. That is what a business does. If you don't like it. Don't try to blame them but find something that would match with what you agree.

Abercrombie is still responsible for making money on people sexualizing children, and that isn't socially responsible IMO... Some businesses like Walmart wouldn't sell Wu Tang cds because they were "offensive." Other businesses will sell anything...
 
You should have seen the face of my girlfriends cousin when I told her she can't wear make-up before she is 16. She had a cow.

I told her make-up is only to attract attention of the opposite sex and she didn't want that before she was 16. Her single mother agrees but can't control what she does so now at almost 15 she is wearing make-up every day, and I mean a lot of it.
Hopefully she'll learn soon that too much make-up is less attractive than no make-up at all. Perhaps someone should show her that a little mascara and maybe some blush is enough for her age.
 
[/B]Hopefully she'll learn soon that too much make-up is less attractive than no make-up at all. Perhaps someone should show her that a little mascara and maybe some blush is enough for her age.

I told her that a woman that wears a lot of make-up knows she is ugly and she is trying to hide it. Her mother made a weird face at that one, yes she cakes it on as well.

I don't see her as one of those boy crazy girls but she is developing a body that is going to get a lot of attention, I am just not sure she will be able to handle it.
 
Please tell me how many cases comprise your experiences. Are you saying you have not seen single mothers that cannot control their daughters?

If a daughter can do math at all, and the mother had the girl early, how can the mother then tell the daughter not to engage in sexual activity when she did herself. She loses all credibility.

Do you think a single mother has a better chance to control the daughter or a strong father figure?

It is well known, the boy wants to please the mother while the girl strives to please the father. She doesn't want to let him down. If he is not there, she is more likely to go wild, looking for a male influence to take care of her.

It is not that hard to understand.

I didn't strive to please my father... I made my dad angry a lot in fact.
 
That is so sad. Did you at least ask them that?

Those girls are going to grow up looking for bad boys....

I always asked them about school, and got the same response every time. It is OK.

All I can do is hope they do well to better their lives.

I am no longer with my girlfriend so I don't see the girls much at all.
 
Girls need to be taught to never make a decision that will affect the rest of their life.

A choice to have sex can get her pregnant or she can get a disease, that will affect the rest of her life.

If she decides to take drugs, she can get hooked or die, that can affect the rest of her life.

If she decides to drop out of school, that will affect the rest of her life.

That needs to be drilled into her head about the time she is 12 or 13.

It works beleive me.

Don't forget to teach your boys the same lessons..
 
I didn't strive to please my father... I made my dad angry a lot in fact.

There are exceptions to every rule of course.

A friend of mine had a daughter.

I guess she was 15 when I asked her about her dating. She said she wasn't allowed to yet.

I then asked her about getting pregnant, in the future. She said matter of factly that it wouldn't happen because her father would kill her. She was right.

I didn't sense fear in that answer though, more like respect. He kept her in line and she turned out very well. Successful.
 
Don't forget to teach your boys the same lessons..

My son is 5 1/2 right now so I have time with him.

Teenage boys seem easier to deal with, much less emotions controlling the thoughts.
 
There are exceptions to every rule of course.

A friend of mine had a daughter.

I guess she was 15 when I asked her about her dating. She said she wasn't allowed to yet.

I then asked her about getting pregnant, in the future. She said matter of factly that it wouldn't happen because her father would kill her. She was right.

I didn't sense fear in that answer though, more like respect. He kept her in line and she turned out very well. Successful.

And now she is single for life.
 
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