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Abercrombie criticized for selling push-up tops to little girls

Jetboogieman said:
Ah but you see.

That's the thing about me, I have relatively socially conservative views for myself and my personal life.

However I never, ever feel that my views should be imposed on others.

So while I say something like that.

I do not wish to actually see it implemented.

Free Markets the free market right?

Oh and another thing. You think its parents buying this for their kids? Have you been to a mall lately on a Saturday and Sunday.

Kids as young as 10+ walking around together on their own, buying stuff from stores.
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That is a failing parent that lets the child decide what she wears.

There are too many parents that dress their little girls as sluts very young, 3 or 4.

Why buy half tops or jeans with words on the ass area if you don't want to call atention to that area.

If a 10 year old is buying that stuff at the mall, it is because her mother allows her to wear that stuff.

I am glad I have a boy because I know my ex girlfriend would dress her in clothes like this.
 
Ikari said:
The parents have control, even if their kids are out buying things; where did those 10 year olds get the money? Parents. They can't have jobs yet. Hell in this ***** day and age we have, kids don't even get jobs at 14 (that's when I got my first job, I was 14 and asked my dad for a video game, he told me to get a job). The parents can control their children. It just takes a lot of work, and if you were lazy early on in your kid's life you're going to have a much harder time now imposing limits. But one can. I've seen very well behaved children who understand some rather complex ideals for their age. But that was involved parenting from the start.

Having kids isn't easy, well raising kids ain't. It takes a lot of work and you have to be involved. An involved parent can have a 13-14 year old child roaming the mall not buying jail bait clothing.

The end solution to the outrage over this, people need to be better parents. Quit churning out sluts! Dads, I'm looking at you on this one. Who the hell wants their daughter to be a slut? Get some values and face time in there with your children.
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I know this won't be politically correct, I don't give a ****, but if there is a strong father figure in the home, I don't think a girl would even try to wear sluttly clothes. She wouldn't get away with it.

The mother has no standing to tell the daughter not to do it as she probably did it too, and then you get into the argument of do as I say not as I do. That doesn't work with kids.

I realize fathers have been discarded buy feminists but for the most part, the most well adjusted kids I have known have come from homes with strong father figures in them.
 
Mason66 said:
I know this won't be politically correct, I don't give a ****, but if there is a strong father figure in the home, I don't think a girl would even try to wear sluttly clothes. She wouldn't get away with it.

The mother has no standing to tell the daughter not to do it as she probably did it too, and then you get into the argument of do as I say not as I do. That doesn't work with kids.

I realize fathers have been discarded buy feminists but for the most part, the most well adjusted kids I have known have come from homes with strong father figures in them.
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What a sexist, ridiculous comment to make...By this logic, single mothers necessarily raise sluts.
 
Abercrombie shouldn't be the ones to blame for someone buying their product, how about the consumer, or consumers parent? Nobody forced them to purchase it.
 
theplaydrive said:
What a sexist, ridiculous comment to make...By this logic, single mothers necessarily raise sluts.
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it has been my experience, teaching at an inner city public school, that most of the time....they do. :shrug:
 
OscarB63 said:
it has been my experience, teaching at an inner city public school, that most of the time....they do. :shrug:
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But I would argue that's more a product of the environment than the single mother. In the suburbs, I went to school with some kids of single parents (mother or father), only 1 out of the 6 or 7 I remember turned out to be slutty.
 
theplaydrive said:
What a sexist, ridiculous comment to make...By this logic, single mothers necessarily raise sluts.
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Sexist or not it happens all the time.

It is the father that keeps the kid in line, especially the girls.
 
Mason66 said:
Sexist or not it happens all the time.

It is the father that keeps the kid in line, especially the girls.
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You obviously aren't from my neck of the woods.
 
So why would parents in the first place buy them? You can only go so far to blame a corporation.....
 
Jetboogieman said:
Morally I completely disagree.

It is Sickening to me. I quite honestly think stuff like this should be outlawed.

However.

Isn't this the fantastic "free market" you guys keep trumpeting.
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That's right. It's Abercrombie's right to market this kind of merchandise.

My POV is: what trashy as mother****er of a parent would let their daughter wear this kind of ****?
 
theplaydrive said:
You obviously aren't from my neck of the woods.
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I find Mason66 to be correct. My ex-wife can't discipline our kids for ****. It's up to me to do most of that.
 
Mason66 said:
You are right, I live in reality.
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Or...we have different experiences. Why do some people never consider that other people just have different experiences? Why is it that other people have to be living in another reality? Ridiculous.
 
OscarB63 said:
it has been my experience, teaching at an inner city public school, that most of the time....they do. :shrug:
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That's a f***ed up thing to say... You worked in an inner city public school, maybe that has more to do with it and their mother's marriage status...
 
theplaydrive said:
But I would argue that's more a product of the environment than the single mother. In the suburbs, I went to school with some kids of single parents (mother or father), only 1 out of the 6 or 7 I remember turned out to be slutty.
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I went to school with a girl raised strict, Christian... She married young, to a military, man twice her age, and had a baby. Now, she's divorced and living with a lesbian, Asian... her girlfried. Her family is a bunch of racist homophobes IMO too. I think it's funny.
 
Mason66 said:
Sexist or not it happens all the time.

It is the father that keeps the kid in line, especially the girls.
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Another sexist thing to say... Please, I have seen incredible mothers who happen to be single.. Single parents deserve more respect than they get, and btw, why do you think they're single? It could very well be because the father is a POS and doesn't want to help her raise his kid, so she doesn't have a choice about being a single mother.
 
apdst said:
I find Mason66 to be correct. My ex-wife can't discipline our kids for ****. It's up to me to do most of that.
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My mother did most of the disciple... and Black Dog's wife does it all too... lol. We talked about this before.
 
SheWolf said:
Ever see Toddlers and Tiaras? I bet some of those show parents would buy these tops for their 2 year olds to wear in the swimsuit competition...
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I've seen a bit of one episode one day when I was bored and flipping through channels. It seemed more like a "how to be a pedophile and scar your kids for life" show than anything else.
 
rathi said:
Abercrombie should be criticized for selling clothes like this. It may be wrong for the government to get involved, but doesn't mean society can't criticize unethical behavior. Sexualizing children is wrong and corporations who sell products which enable such behavior should be treated like anyone else who who sells out their morals for a buck.
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But Abercrombie isn't the one sexualizing kids, they're just responding to market pressures. We're the ones doing it and if we want to address the root of the problem, we need to put blame where it belongs; with the parents.
 
SheWolf said:
I went to school with a girl raised strict, Christian... She married young, to a military, man twice her age, and had a baby. Now, she's divorced and living with a lesbian, Asian... her girlfried. Her family is a bunch of racist homophobes IMO too. I think it's funny.
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Oh wow. Nightmare for that family...but yeah, that sounds hilarious.
 
SheWolf said:
I went to school with a girl raised strict, Christian... She married young, to a military, man twice her age, and had a baby. Now, she's divorced and living with a lesbian, Asian... her girlfried. Her family is a bunch of racist homophobes IMO too. I think it's funny.
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Imagine the trama of having a family like that? I don't find it too funny.
 
theplaydrive said:
Oh wow. Nightmare for that family...but yeah, that sounds hilarious.
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I was kinda thinking that it didn't sound too hilarious to me. Family strive and friction isn't necessarily a good thing. Sure one could say it's their comeuppance, but it would have been best if everyone could have understood each other and worked together to maintain a good family structure while accepting their daughter.
 
Ikari said:
I was kinda thinking that it didn't sound too hilarious to me. Family strive and friction isn't necessarily a good thing. Sure one could say it's their comeuppance, but it would have been best if everyone could have understood each other and worked together to maintain a good family structure while accepting their daughter.
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I don't know their situation or the girl, so I can't say how she deals with it. But the funny part for me comes from the same thing that a comedic movie making fun of this situation would come from. It's funny because it's ironic. With all potential painful situations comes humor and I've heard many gay people come from homophobic families who know the pain and the humor of it all.
 
But Abercrombie isn't the one sexualizing kids, they're just responding to market pressures. We're the ones doing it and if we want to address the root of the problem, we need to put blame where it belongs; with the parents.
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The parents are certainly by far the most responsible party. That said, they are not the only responsible party. Abercrombie has a choice about whether to design and sell clothes that sexualize children. They are complicit the moment they decide to do evil in return for 20 pieces of silver.
 
SheWolf said:
That's a f***ed up thing to say... You worked in an inner city public school, maybe that has more to do with it and their mother's marriage status...
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So you think living in an inner city, whatever that is, makes a girl a slut?

No matter where the family lives the parents are responsible to teach their kids values.

If the girl isn't taught the golden rule about life, she will turn out bad.
 
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